S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
So... as you probably know, the Elise S1 outer window seals are 60 quid a side:
Official Lotus seal - these must be made of gold.
They also don't seem to last very long as the metal corrodes causing the rubber to bubble, and also the clips seem to come off often meaning the seal isn't attached properly (or in the case of my car) has been glued back on using what looks like no more nails!
Turns out the outer seal is very similar to the first seal on Woolies pikey window seals page
Which obviously is significantly cheaper. It's sold in 2 metre lengths, you need 1m per door.
The good thing about this seal is it doesn't seem to have any metal to corrode. It's like a hard plastic with rubber seal/felt for going against the window.
The seal doesn't extend quite as much as the original seal (ie doesn't push against the window so much). A guy on SELOC used velcro to attach the seal, and this also spaces the seal out a bit, bringing it closer to the glass. I thought this sounded like a good plan, so did the same.
I measured the flat portion of the seal where the velcro would go, and decided that 16mm was the way forward.
I used this 16mm x 5 metres velcro @ £7.25 fro fleBay
I bought 5m but you need less than 2 (obviously..) but I indend to use it for my number plates and possibly other bits too.
The adhesive feels really decent, plus if it ever comes off, I can just stick it again.
First thing to do is cut the seal to length. Cut the mirror side of the door first as you need to angle it a bit. I used some tin snips to cut the hard vertical portion and some regular scissors for the rubber.
Once you've got the angle right, cut to length at the back of the door. You can have plenty of goes at the angle as the 1m seal leaves 20-30cm of seal unused.
I decided the best idea would be to fit the rougher side of the velcro to the seal itself so it would never be against the glass (not that it's that abrasive...)
I used 1 hand to push the sticky velcro onto the seal, whilst pulling maybe 20-30mm of backing off at a time with the other hand. This made it really easy to get the velcro on straight and without bubbles etc.
The finished seal...
Make sure the door gutter is clean / use some degresant to prep it. The velcro will be fitted to an alloy plate that is bonded to the door shell. This plate usually hosts the metal clips that hold on the original seal. I managed a door with the window in with no problem at all.
I started at the back end of the door 1st time round, but the mirror end of the door was a pita. I'd recommend starting at the mirror and working back!
Again, a 2 handed job. With my right hand, I peeled the backing off (index finger), again 20-30mm at a time, whilst also pulling the velcro tight (between my thumb and middle finger) to keep it straight.
At the same time, I used my thumb to push the velcro onto the door and ensure there was no air bubbles.
I fitted a small offcut ofseal to see what it would look like. This is velcro'd on.
This image shows it best as you can see the velcro and the fit in the window reflection
Finished seal with window down
Window up
and finally the angle at the mirror
Approx total Cost:
seals: 5.50 per metre x 2 + p&p
£14
Velcro 5m
£7
---
£21 for both sides
---
Not bad since Lotus want 120 for the seals alone!
Hope this helps someone!
Chris
Official Lotus seal - these must be made of gold.
They also don't seem to last very long as the metal corrodes causing the rubber to bubble, and also the clips seem to come off often meaning the seal isn't attached properly (or in the case of my car) has been glued back on using what looks like no more nails!
Turns out the outer seal is very similar to the first seal on Woolies pikey window seals page
Which obviously is significantly cheaper. It's sold in 2 metre lengths, you need 1m per door.
The good thing about this seal is it doesn't seem to have any metal to corrode. It's like a hard plastic with rubber seal/felt for going against the window.
The seal doesn't extend quite as much as the original seal (ie doesn't push against the window so much). A guy on SELOC used velcro to attach the seal, and this also spaces the seal out a bit, bringing it closer to the glass. I thought this sounded like a good plan, so did the same.
I measured the flat portion of the seal where the velcro would go, and decided that 16mm was the way forward.
I used this 16mm x 5 metres velcro @ £7.25 fro fleBay
I bought 5m but you need less than 2 (obviously..) but I indend to use it for my number plates and possibly other bits too.
The adhesive feels really decent, plus if it ever comes off, I can just stick it again.
First thing to do is cut the seal to length. Cut the mirror side of the door first as you need to angle it a bit. I used some tin snips to cut the hard vertical portion and some regular scissors for the rubber.
Once you've got the angle right, cut to length at the back of the door. You can have plenty of goes at the angle as the 1m seal leaves 20-30cm of seal unused.
I decided the best idea would be to fit the rougher side of the velcro to the seal itself so it would never be against the glass (not that it's that abrasive...)
I used 1 hand to push the sticky velcro onto the seal, whilst pulling maybe 20-30mm of backing off at a time with the other hand. This made it really easy to get the velcro on straight and without bubbles etc.
The finished seal...
Make sure the door gutter is clean / use some degresant to prep it. The velcro will be fitted to an alloy plate that is bonded to the door shell. This plate usually hosts the metal clips that hold on the original seal. I managed a door with the window in with no problem at all.
I started at the back end of the door 1st time round, but the mirror end of the door was a pita. I'd recommend starting at the mirror and working back!
Again, a 2 handed job. With my right hand, I peeled the backing off (index finger), again 20-30mm at a time, whilst also pulling the velcro tight (between my thumb and middle finger) to keep it straight.
At the same time, I used my thumb to push the velcro onto the door and ensure there was no air bubbles.
I fitted a small offcut ofseal to see what it would look like. This is velcro'd on.
This image shows it best as you can see the velcro and the fit in the window reflection
Finished seal with window down
Window up
and finally the angle at the mirror
Approx total Cost:
seals: 5.50 per metre x 2 + p&p
£14
Velcro 5m
£7
---
£21 for both sides
---
Not bad since Lotus want 120 for the seals alone!
Hope this helps someone!
Chris
'16 MINI Cooper S - Family fun hatch
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Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Hi Chris
Thanks for that it on the todo list for my car too, loving the colour of yours btw
cheers Hamish
Thanks for that it on the todo list for my car too, loving the colour of yours btw
cheers Hamish
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Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
You should change you user name to Chris (Pikey) Corranga,
I have probably spent £200 on my door seals and bet they wont last the summer. Is the rebuild nearly complete then ?
Alan
I have probably spent £200 on my door seals and bet they wont last the summer. Is the rebuild nearly complete then ?
Alan
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Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Being a bit pikey is all part of the Lotus ownership experience I reckon
Rebuild is certainly getting there (I updated my build thread in the wrong forum last night )
Off the top of my head things still to fit:
Drivers window (hopefully they are doing this as they took it off!)
Seats and sill covers
door interiors
front grill (i'll probably keep the rears off for now - they've been off the car for about 2 years now to be hammerited!)
undertray
sort out boot cable nipple
Fit rear window and hardtop (probably keep the hardtop on til mid/late march)
I spent more than I should have on door seals. I bought new inners thinking I needed them, and couldn't figure out what i'd done with the old ones. Found them in the shed last week, they look ok, could have reused them
I bet your new main door seals will last longer than my double sided tape/sikaflex on the foam section combo!
Chris
Rebuild is certainly getting there (I updated my build thread in the wrong forum last night )
Off the top of my head things still to fit:
Drivers window (hopefully they are doing this as they took it off!)
Seats and sill covers
door interiors
front grill (i'll probably keep the rears off for now - they've been off the car for about 2 years now to be hammerited!)
undertray
sort out boot cable nipple
Fit rear window and hardtop (probably keep the hardtop on til mid/late march)
I spent more than I should have on door seals. I bought new inners thinking I needed them, and couldn't figure out what i'd done with the old ones. Found them in the shed last week, they look ok, could have reused them
I bet your new main door seals will last longer than my double sided tape/sikaflex on the foam section combo!
Chris
'16 MINI Cooper S - Family fun hatch
'98 Lotus Elise - Fun day car
'07 Fiat Panda 100HP - Daily puddle jumper
'04 Maserati Coupe GT - Manual, v8, Italian...
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'07 Fiat Panda 100HP - Daily puddle jumper
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Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Looking fantastic Chris!
Mark MacKenzie
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Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Nice paint job, Chris. Where's ya get it done in Dundee?
TIA
Mike.
TIA
Mike.
Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Chris, what did you do for the seals in the channels that the windows sit in? the passenger's one on my Elise is falling apart, and caused the runners to get pulled off the glass.
Scared to check how much the Lotus parts are
Scared to check how much the Lotus parts are
Jamie McDonald
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Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Mine weren't that bad so I left them Jamie. Some of the Lotus seals aren't that badly priced, I replaced the inner window seals (opposite side from the window) and they were only around 12 quid each.
Fingers crossed they're not too bad for you!
Chris
Fingers crossed they're not too bad for you!
Chris
'16 MINI Cooper S - Family fun hatch
'98 Lotus Elise - Fun day car
'07 Fiat Panda 100HP - Daily puddle jumper
'04 Maserati Coupe GT - Manual, v8, Italian...
'98 Lotus Elise - Fun day car
'07 Fiat Panda 100HP - Daily puddle jumper
'04 Maserati Coupe GT - Manual, v8, Italian...
Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Aye, looked at Bell & Colville, and the window runners are only about £10 each (just wondering if I need 2 or 4 though)
Think I might go down the Woolies Pikey trim & Araldite route to get the passenger's door/window sorted out!
The outer seals could do with begin replaced, aswell as the runners and a more successful attempt at glueing the plastic clips bal onto the glass than the previous attempt, but I have a cunning plan!
Think I might go down the Woolies Pikey trim & Araldite route to get the passenger's door/window sorted out!
The outer seals could do with begin replaced, aswell as the runners and a more successful attempt at glueing the plastic clips bal onto the glass than the previous attempt, but I have a cunning plan!
Jamie McDonald
http://www.McDonald-Minis.co.uk
http://www.McDonald-Minis.co.uk
Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Hmm, not sure tbh. For all the time I spend fitting inner / outer window seals I didn't really look. The body shop removed and refitted both windows so I wasn't too involved with that part.ceejam wrote:(just wondering if I need 2 or 4 though)
chris
'16 MINI Cooper S - Family fun hatch
'98 Lotus Elise - Fun day car
'07 Fiat Panda 100HP - Daily puddle jumper
'04 Maserati Coupe GT - Manual, v8, Italian...
'98 Lotus Elise - Fun day car
'07 Fiat Panda 100HP - Daily puddle jumper
'04 Maserati Coupe GT - Manual, v8, Italian...
Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I just fitted these to my s1 and the woolies seals aren't wide enough to bridge the gap between door and glass. There's now a 5-10mm gap between the seal and the glass. Can anyone help? I used Velcro to fit and the seals recommended above.
Cheers
Cheers
Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
thanks for reminding me I have these seals in my shed...
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Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
Good luck getting them to fit!
Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
by the waydzm wrote:Good luck getting them to fit!
EDIT: try and upload photos of your seals...
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Re: S1 Elise pikey outer window seal - tutorial w/pics
r055 wrote:thanks for reminding me I have these seals in my shed...
You still not fitted them yet !
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