What do you think of this (NLC).

[pete]

Because of a knee op on Tuesday I'm spending wayy too much time on the couch surfing t'internet and I came across this on boing boing (a blog).


Which is a proposal by the government to create a database of data for all children in the UK. Accessable for any "interested party".

Now I can see the benefit, for the NHS especially, but they will
Leak the data,
Keep the data longer than they should,
Misuse the data in more ways than I can imagine. They will not respect our children's privacy, indeed I doubt they have any rights which is why they are doing it.

It's just wrong.

pettion here on a Downing street website to register your disapproval which won't make any difference except to be able to say I told you so when it all goes wrong.

[Skyenet]

They will not respect our children's privacy, indeed I doubt they have any rights which is why they are doing it.
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Children in Scotland do have rights and The Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003 establishes the post of a Commissioner, how they will be appointed and how they can help.

The Act also states the Commissioner must:

Promote and safeguard the rights of children and young people.

Promote awareness and understanding of the rights of children and young people.

Keep under review the law, policy and practice relating to the rights of children and young people with a view to assessing the adequacy and effectiveness of such law, policy and practice.

Promote best practice by service providers.

Promote, commission, undertake and publish research on matters relating to the rights of children and young people.

Encourage the involvement of children and young people in the work of the Commissioner.

Ensure that children and young people are aware of the functions of the Commissioner and communication mechanisms.

Consult children and young people on work to be undertaken.

Consult organisations working with and for children and young people on the work to be undertaken.

Pay particular attention to children and young people who do not have other adequate means to make their views known.

Prepare and keep under review a strategy for involving children and young people.

Carry out investigations on the extent to which service providers have regard to the rights, interests and views of children and young people, on relevant matters of 'particular significance' to groups.

Lay an annual report before the Scottish Parliament

The majority of Children's rights in Scottish Law are based on the
United Nations Convention on Rights of the Child

Rights include

Article 1
Everyone under 18 has these rights

Article 2
You have the right to protection against discrimination

Article 3
Adults should do what’s best for you

Article 4
You have the right to have your rights made a reality by government

Article 5
You have the right to be given guidance by your parents and family

Article 6
You have the right to life

Article 7
You have the right to have a name and a nationality

Article 8
You have the right to have an identity

Article 9
You have the right to live with your parents unless it is bad for you

Article 10
If you and your parents are living in different countries, you have the right to get back together and live in the same place

Article 11
You should not be kidnapped

Article 12
You have the right to an opinion and for it to be listened to and taken seriously

Article 13
You have the right to find out things and say what you think, through making art, speaking and writing unless it breaks the rights of others

Article 14
You have the right to think what you like and be whatever religion you want to be with your parents guidance

Article 15
You have the right to be with friends and join or set up clubs, unless this breaks the rights of others

Article 16
You have the right to a private life, ie you can keep a diary that other people are not allowed to see

Article 17
You have the right to collect information from the media

Article 18
You have the right to be brought up by your parents if possible

Article 19
You have the right to be protected from being hurt or badly treated

Article 20
You have the right to special protection and help if you can’t live with your parents

Article 21
You have the right to have the best care for you if you are adopted or living in foster care

Article 22
You have the right to special protection and help if you are a refugee

Article 23
If you are disabled, either mentally or physically, you have the right to special care and education

Article 24
You have the right to the best health possible and to medical care and information

Article 25
You have the right to have your living arrangements checked regularly if you are living away from home

Article 26
You have the right to help from the government if you are poor or in need

Article 27
You have the right to have a good enough standard of living

Article 28
You have the right to education

Article 29
You have the right to education which develops your personality, respect for other’s rights and the environment

Article 30
If you come from a minority group you have the right to enjoy your own culture, practice your own religion and use your own language

Article 31
You have the right to play and relax by doing things like sport, music and drama

Article 32
You have the right to protection from work which is bad for your health or education

Article 33
You have the right to be protected from dangerous drugs

Article 34
You have the right to be protected from sexual abuse

Article 35
No one is allowed to kidnap you or sell you

Article 36
You have the right to protection from any other kind of exploitation

Article 37
You have the right not to be punished in a cruel or hurtful way

Article 38
You have the right to protection in times of war. If under 15 you should never have to be in the army or a battle

Article 39
You have the right to help if you have been hurt, neglected or badly treated

Article 40
You have the right to help in defending yourself if you are accused of breaking the law

Article 41
You have the right to any rights in laws in your country or internationally that give you better rights than these

Article 42
All adults and children should know about this convention

[pete]

Did you cut and paste that from somewhere?

The right not be kidnapped twice in there!

My original post should have said right to privacy.

Before posting I should have checked and now I do check I might just be England.

Still Big Brother though...

Pete

[BiggestNizzy]

So pre 2003 kids didn't have the right not to be kidnapped/molested/sold/hurt/educated/ and legal protection

how did I cope as a kid growing up!

[pete]

So pre 2003 kids didn't have the right not to be kidnapped/molested/sold/hurt/educated/

how did I cope as a kid growing up!

Errm I don't want to awake any suppressed memories here but, well how do i tell you, all those things did happen to you, they happened to most children back then but we learned to bottle it up.

Those people you call Mummy and Daddy aren't really your parents.

Your real name is Wayne and you spent your first 6 months on a council estate just outside Dudley but you real mum sold you for 10 Benson and Hedges.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you.

Pete

[BiggestNizzy]

I don't know whats worse my "real" mum selling me for fags, being molested, being from Dudley, or my real name is Wayne



No I do Wayne is worse

[tenkfeet]

Is that list for real ?

"You have the right to a private life, ie you can keep a diary that other people are not allowed to see "

So a kid now could end up in court for reading his sister's diary, after my Mum had already read it.

I see there is no rights for the person who is being terrorised by the little buggers every weekend?

I am of course being facetious.

[BiggestNizzy]

Is that list for real ?

Loos like standard made by commitee stuff where they all sit around a table for 6 months drinking coffee then 2 weeks to go they all throw some idea's into a hat and then pick a bunch of them.

alas "human rights" has been taken over by twats of course nobody should be sold or molested or beaten but thats not a kids thing everyone should have those and does already.

it's like slopping out in jail is a breach of human rights, baws it is! prison nowadays is only a punishment if your a generally decent person. the world seems to forget that god this country is crap.

I feel kinda strong about this as we have recently gone ISO 9000 etc and now we have to be "pro-active" that and Health and safety. common sence no longer applies and it's ruining engineering just when it needs as much help as it can get!

I am not anti health and safety I just feel why do we have to spend time sorting problems that have never happened.

[Skyenet]

Did you cut and paste that from somewhere?

The right not be kidnapped twice in there!

My original post should have said right to privacy.

Before posting I should have checked and now I do check I might just be England.

Pete

I had taken it out of research stuff I had done recently. Part of our duties in early years education is to promote the rights of children. They do have responsibilities as well which I am sure all of us would like to see them adopt.

I had just summarized the rights, in more detail the 2 that referred to kidnapping are

Article 11 (Kidnapping): Governments should take steps to stop children being taken out of their own country illegally. This article is particularly concerned with parental abductions. The Convention’s Optional Protocol on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography has a provision that concerns abduction for financial gain.

Article 35 (Abduction, sale and trafficking): The government should take all measures possible to make sure that children are not abducted, sold or trafficked. This provision in the Convention is augmented by the Optional Protocol on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography.

These articles are from the The Convention on the Rights of the Child 1989 which was adopted by the UK in 1989. The USA have not ratified the convention because some of the rights conflict with USA Rights. Even in the UK there are problems with some of the rights such being able to see both parents if one lives in another country.

The Convention on the Rights of the Child is the first legally binding international instrument to incorporate the full range of human rights—civil, cultural, economic, political and social rights. In 1989, world leaders decided that children needed a special convention just for them because people under 18 years old often need special care and protection that adults do not. The leaders also wanted to make sure that the world recognized that children have human rights too.

[Skyenet]

So pre 2003 kids didn't have the right not to be kidnapped/molested/sold/hurt/educated/ and legal protection

how did I cope as a kid growing up!

The UK adopted UN Convention of the rights of the child in 1989 so any rights in the articles of the Convention that were not already part of UK law were gradually introduced into UK Legislation. As usual Scotland is ahead of the game by introducing the The Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003 to promote and safeguard children's rights.

[tenkfeet]

Is that list for real ?

I feel kinda strong about this as we have recently gone ISO 9000 etc and now we have to be "pro-active" that and Health and safety. common sence no longer applies and it's ruining engineering just when it needs as much help as it can get!

I am not anti health and safety I just feel why do we have to spend time sorting problems that have never happened.

I know exactly where you are coming from and agree totally engineering wise . Its to protect against the idiots ,so like many things the majority have to come down to the lowest level. Different enviroments call for different levels . Having had an "incident " health and safety did nothing for me , had common sense been used by another person nothing would have happened and a small mistake by me would not have led to me nearly getting my head blown off.