Track etiquette - letting the slow guys back in

[minkypotglory]

I could be up for that if there are a few of the girlies going along, anyone know howe the split bike/car thing works?

Not sure how it works Morven, but will phone Knockhill on Saturday morning and post back up with the details. I'll ask how many spaces are left also so that we can perhaps get as many of us SE women on track!

Karen

Karen i could be up for this also.

Cheers Mags

[BigD]

Perhaps us ladies should go to Knockhill on 1st July:

Ladies Car & Bike Tracknight
Tue 1st July

6pm - 8pm


For LADIES ONLY!

This is the perfect tracknight for all ladies with a car or bike! There will be 2 sessions with Bikes out on track for the first session.

A full safety briefing will be given at 5.45pm. Cost is £45!

Do you think I would get away with dressing like a lady and taking the bike on that night. Don't have the balls for a mans bike track night.

[Victor Meldrew]

I keep saying it but as a first trackday experience Kames would be better than KH IMHO. Ok it looks narrower, but there is no-one else on track with you and it costs peanuts. :

Sorry... have to disagree on this, driving Kames isnt that different to driving a twisty back road IMHO...

Knockhill with an instructor or one of the regulars to give you a few pointers is a much more realistic option.
(McKean... notice the free plug)

[DDtB]

I keep saying it but as a first trackday experience Kames would be better than KH IMHO. Ok it looks narrower, but there is no-one else on track with you and it costs peanuts. :

Sorry... have to disagree on this, driving Kames isnt that different to driving a twisty back road IMHO...

Knockhill with an instructor or one of the regulars to give you a few pointers is a much more realistic option.

That may be the first sensible thing you've ever said.....

How about a compromise.... I reckon Teeside is somewhere inbetween a Kames and a Knockhill and seems the obvious choice for a wee SE day out with loads of the new folk.... no??

I know it really boosted my confidence when we did it last time anyway !

[The Admiral]

Good shout Dezzy,

This has happened to me twice, and once was caught on Rog's (The Admiral's) video. As I saw it, he was coming from a long long way back at the straight and I was virtually at the brow of duffus by the time he actually passed. On the video, you can hear him say, "don't you pull out on me Mr Lotus..." As I recall it, I'd been over on the right hand side for some time but he never had the pace (or something) until very late on. Duffus isn't a corner I like being on the wrong side of, having to jump on the brakes...

Greg

Firstly, I'm sorry about that overtake. I misjudged it and apologise for upsetting you and you passenger.

I would say in my defence that I try to be a corteous driver, and I'm sure watching the full video will confirms this.

Full Video: http://www.rog.me.uk/TrackScotland%20June%202008.wmv

Mistake: http://www.rog.me.uk/KH.wmv

Although I was completely past you as we went under the bridge, I completely agree that this manouvre was too risky for a track day.

Sorry again.

Rog

and edited to say sorry for any similar manouvres I have done in the past as well

[Lazydonkey]

I keep saying it but as a first trackday experience Kames would be better than KH IMHO. Ok it looks narrower, but there is no-one else on track with you and it costs peanuts. :

Sorry... have to disagree on this, driving Kames isnt that different to driving a twisty back road IMHO...

Knockhill with an instructor or one of the regulars to give you a few pointers is a much more realistic option.
(McKean... notice the free plug)

But even with an instructor you still hve traffic and high entry speeds - both the things that freaked me out when i started.

[Victor Meldrew]

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DDtBThat may be the first sensible thing you've ever said.....

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steady now....

[campbell]

If we all started to sport them - how would you know who was using it for trackday purposes and who was using it for MSA purposes?


Mac

Just cover it for track days

My guess is that the proportion of trackday entrants with a "bona fide" MSA novice cross will be very, very small. OTOH, based on this thread, the proportion of trackday entrants who could benefit from one is quite a bit higher !

Suggesting track plates is probably a viable option too - keeps the onus on those who want to benefit from them, ie the novices. Although a track plate may need "decoded" by the following driver as to whether the car wearing it really is a novice or not...the black cross on yellow is incontrovertible.

[YvoTuk]

My 2p.. I think it's all about letting other know what you're up to..

I'm not a regular at KH and found the driving standards quite high, comparable to say.. LOT days. I've been at trackdays here in Holland where people are allowed to drive as complete idiots. It's the kind of "I think I'm the new Michael Schumacher in my old Pug 205"experience, which I'm now avoiding as there's too many accidents during these days.

There's a couple of the things I saw last week:

There were a couple of people who indicated and moved to the right, but directly went on full blast. eh?
There were a couple of people who indicated and moved, but didn't indicate left, so I myself was confused at times, but I also saw other people being confused as in "why's he not getting back to the line?".

I think everybody realises that a trackday like this is not about competition, but about fun and exploring your personal limits. So I really can't believe anyone outthere would drive like a c*ck on purpose.

The main thing here is: show what you are doing. When you want to get back in the 'queue', indicate and when there's enough room to snug into, get back on the line. You can't just sit there and wait as people simply don't understand why you're staying on that side of the track.

Once you've done a couple of days, your confidence will grow and your pace will probably go up. That makes it more and more fun to do. One thing you certainly shouldn't do is give up.

[campbell]

Hmmm MY GF is always on at me for a shot, that sounds better than a SIDC day

Dont like the split bikes/cars session however..

This split will be of no issue at all given that it's a novices night. The whole point, as I read it, is to offer a safe, more relaxed introduction. Assuming they do an hour bikes, an hour cars, that's plenty for the ladies to throw away their handbags and start outbraking each other

[DDtB]

But even with an instructor you still hve traffic and high entry speeds - both the things that freaked me out when i started.

[r10crw]

Rog granted you should maybe have waited for an indication that he had seen you but your were carrying a lot more speed and past before the bridge, dont think this is one to worry about and dont think anyone should be getting upset about it. Craig.

[mac]

Re; Ladies track evening.

I think they will run it in the same manner as before - 20mins for cars, 20 mins for bike (could be 15mins) so that you've always got a chance to come back in, have a chat, talk about eastenders, shoes, handbags etc - before going back on track

[Gareth]

Rog granted you should maybe have waited for an indication that he had seen you but your were carrying a lot more speed and past before the bridge, dont think this is one to worry about and dont think anyone should be getting upset about it. Craig.

I didn't see anything wrong with that pass either.
I try not to pass anyone after the bridge but the Evo clearly had far greater speed and passed before the bridge.

One thing I have read in this thread that I agree with is...it was busy and it was all Lotus cars. So you had your group of cars (standard Elises/Exiges/Exiges S's) who are running the same speed. Unless you have faster car (Atom/Tuts/Jamies Elise) it's difficult to get passed. Best thing to do here and something I've done in the past when it's been busy is just simply do a drive through the pits.

There's one solution....get a faster car so you don't have to move over.

[mac]

Rog granted you should maybe have waited for an indication that he had seen you but your were carrying a lot more speed and past before the bridge, dont think this is one to worry about and dont think anyone should be getting upset about it. Craig.

I didn't see anything wrong with that pass either.
I try not to pass anyone after the bridge but the Evo clearly had far greater speed and passed before the bridge.

One thing I have read in this thread that I agree with is...it was busy and it was all Lotus cars. So you had your group of cars (standard Elises/Exiges/Exiges S's) who are running the same speed. Unless you have faster car (Atom/Tuts/Jamies Elise) it's difficult to get passed. Best thing to do here and something I've done in the past when it's been busy is just simply do a drive through the pits.

There's one solution....get a faster car so you don't have to move over.

There was nothing wrong with that overtake, although I think the other driver could have given you a bit more space. But, that's not Greg, that was Simon - so we can't really comment on the pass that Greg was talking about.