My Hero.

[tut]

He came up with another beaut today.

"Maybe we could keep the Trident subs but not arm them with Trident nuclear warheads, just send them out to sea with pea shooters and catapults." Makes sense in a way as if he is never going to push the button, it would save money on weapons. He could even go the whole hog and team up with Google and Tessla, then they would not even need crews.

tut

[kenny]

Awesome, isn't it? The Britain hating, terrorist sympathizer also wants to 'reach an accommodation with Argentina' over the Falkland Islands. Given the only 'accommodation' Argentina is likely accept is a complete handover he might want to discuss this with the 99.8% of islanders who voted to remain British. Unless he plans to over rule them altogether, which wouldn't surprise me.

Keeping Labour unelectable for the foreseeable future.

[tut]

He is not fit to lick the boots of the soldiers who died taking back the Falklands. Strong I know but I am starting to detest someone that I have never even met, something that I have tried to avoid in the past

I presume that he would go over there to make concessions with his mate Galloway.

tut

[j2 lot]

Disarming Trident, Falklands given away on a whim, Flying Pickets (not the singers!) permitted - he is surely simply trying to undo everything Margaret Thatcher did..... sad old fool. His jacket must be on a shaky nail......

[robin]

Tut,

I am quite sure that at least the bit about pea shooters is made up

On the subject of the Falklands it's my understanding that the right to self determination has been irrevocably granted by the UK to the Falklanders - i.e. whatever discussion the UK now might have with Argentina it wouldn't change that. That really only leaves two options - independent Falklands and devolved Falklands (the status quo). The islanders would appear to want the latter (they voted to remain British - though maybe given a free independence vote they might change their opinion, it doesn't seem at all likely).

So really any discussion with Argentina would not be one of handing over the territory but one of a diplomatic resolution to a tedious dispute between the two countries - i.e. to once and for all to get the Argentines to drop their claims to the territory in exchange for some other concessions (perhaps to do with territorial waters, etc.).

I don't think that's all that bad is it? Of course I don't know what JC is on about as I didn't watch the interview. It does seem to be an odd topic for discussion, to be honest.

Cheers,
Robin

[tut]

The Falklands belongs to the Falklanders, that is what the War was fought over. I lost friends there, what made it worse was that I should have been there with them if I had not had a change of mind and gone out to Oman instead.

He has no right to even spout off his own opinions in my mind, he had nothing to do with the Falklands thank god otherwise they would probably now be under Argentinian rule. Everytime he opens his mouth now he seems to show that he is even more inept than the time before, and what is worse he seems to relish the fact. Those in his own party that are now talking out realise that he is turning into a disaster for Labour, I would love to see him carry on as leader until 2020, but the chances of that are slight.

tut

[thinfourth]

Disarming Trident, Falklands given away on a whim, Flying Pickets (not the singers!) permitted - he is surely simply trying to undo everything Margaret Thatcher did..... sad old fool. His jacket must be on a shaky nail......

I can see him being prime minster in 2020

England has just as many half witted idiots who will vote for the total fantasy that the UK scrapping their nukes will bring world wide peace that the SNP peddle

Anyone under the age of 25 has been taught that thatcher was the most evil human that was ever born

Throw in his dedication to destroy "the rich" which is hugely popular to the iPhone clutching audi driving poverty stricken masses and i think we maybe in for a nasty surprise

[Scuffers]

Anyone under the age of 25 has been taught that thatcher was the most evil human that was ever born

right idea, wrong number, more like anyone under 45.

we have had the leftie lov'in pretty much from the start of the 1979 Thatcher government.

[mckeann]

I'd say it's the older generation who lived through the thatcher era who hate her. I'm 34, I was 9 when she got out of power. I'd say I'm a bit of a closet Tory (if I actually cared about politics) yet my folks hate her with a passion and will never vote conservative.

[tut]

There were certainly few neutral views on Maggie, I certainly did not love her, but she got the job done and showed that the Country did not need to be held to ransom by over powerful Unions going on strikes that they were not used to losing. I flew her around Scotland at the end of her reign in 1990 when she was campaigning for John Major and took abuse for either not crashing or throwing her out of the helicopter.

I can understand whole sections of the Country hating her, she closed down the pits because they were becoming economical and thousands lost jobs which decimated mining communities, she just did something earlier that has now been finished off because it was always going to go that way. The same has now happened with steel, you can not order manufacturing to buy British steel at twice the price of Chinese, likewise coal from Poland, those days have gone. Industry and job creation has to go in the direction of what Britain is as good or better at than the rest of the World if it is to prosper.

tut

[BiggestNizzy]

I would ditch the nuclear missiles we are only ever going to use them against a a nation state who uses them against us first. We won't drop them on ISIS even if they did manage to do a dirty bomb in London. North Korea don't have the range so do we expect a nation to suddenly go mental in the next 25 years and start kicking off? I doubt the South Africans are worrying about it and looking to re-arm. It's not like you can threaten someone with them. The Americans threatened Iraq with them at the first gulf war. They laughed.

[mckeann]

It's a bit hypocritical to tell Iran they must stop developing nuclear weapons, when we have them and are looking to replace them.

[Cawdors1]

Lived through the Thatcher era and....in the early years she did a lot of good. The older folk on here, of which I'm one, saw Heath fall apart under N.U.M threats. She hammered the unions which were systematically destroying the British industries they claimed to support......and breath......lol.....as for Trident, Falklands etc.....we need a military capable at all levels. Nuclear, and perhaps more importantly, non nuclear. The Falklands belongs to the islanders, simple. Their wishes is what should be listened to. Valentino...yup politics is full of hypocrisy...look at how we turn a blind eye to the human rights issues in Saudi...but overturn sadistic dictatorships......madness...

[robin]

I don't understand all the hatred here. It's just politics. Sure it's sometimes hard to understand people's point of view when they live somewhere else and have different priorities, but why must they then be described in derogatory terms? In my eyes at least any argument that resorts to name calling is lost (regardless of merit). Of course it doesn't matter what I think

Almost every politician has some good ideas and anybody that's been in power has done some good for some percentage of the population at some point.

To pick up on Paul's point, for me the wealth gap discussion in the UK is about the gap between those needing to use food banks and those able to afford anything they like. Now I am all in favour of people having the opportunity to earn well and keep what they earn, but we do need to decide what we're going to do with those that cannot earn enough to eat. Perhaps we should take a leaf out of Tut's/Thatcher's book and shoot them. It simply accelerates the inevitable outcome of death.

Hej-Hej,

Robin

[robin]

Lived through the Thatcher era and....in the early years she did a lot of good. The older folk on here, of which I'm one, saw Heath fall apart under N.U.M threats. She hammered the unions which were systematically destroying the British industries they claimed to support......and breath......lol.....as for Trident, Falklands etc.....we need a military capable at all levels. Nuclear, and perhaps more importantly, non nuclear. The Falklands belongs to the islanders, simple. Their wishes is what should be listened to. Valentino...yup politics is full of hypocrisy...look at how we turn a blind eye to the human rights issues in Saudi...but overturn sadistic dictatorships......madness...

Agreed.