I'm done with using Murray Lotus for good! It gets worse!

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Post by SAJ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:56 pm

Victor Meldrew wrote:Just to throw a recent rumour into the mix... won't say where it came from but I absolutely believe the individual that passed this tit bit on to me..

Allegedly...

The last two remaining Lotus trained/certified mechanics handed there notice in a month ago. One resigned and walked out on the spot and the other handed them his notice and worked his last two or four weeks or whatever notice period he had to work. The technicians now servicing Lotus cars have been pulled in from Kia? or Volvo.

Now whether this is the whole story or not or whether it is completely correct in the telling , it would offer some explanation for the work not being done to standard.

Perhaps someone in the know can clarify what makes a "Lotus Certified" mechanic and if MMC still have any?

As I have said above, allegedly this is the case, or at least it was a month ago...

I have no personal experience in recent years with MMC, certainly no service or repair work in the last five years. Brandon was always extremely welcoming when I went in for a look at what was on offer and always made me feel welcome. I bear no grudges to MMC in any way.
So as far as I was aware there was back in March/April time Gary and one other Lotus tech. I know for definite Gary has left, think he is now at Aston Martin. The other guy (sorry don't know his name) I believe has also left. I questioned Nick at MMC about this during one of my earlier visits to which I got the response that other people were getting trained.
C7Steve wrote:In an ideal world, it would be great if someone from MMC were to read all these posts and then to show them to their manager or someone within MMC who would then call you Saj and ask you to come in for a meeting to discuss how they could work together with you and resolve the situation.

Steve.
You know Steve my biggest issue with this whole thing is that MMC just stayed radio silent when I first reported it to them first thing Tuesday morning. I was so disappointed and annoyed at the quality of work that I actually said to them in my e-mail I was willing to pay CMC to rectify the problems in a hope of prompting them to action asap. Tuesday no reponse, Wednesday no repsonse then Thursday I'm thinking do these guys not give a damn about this so followed up with another e-mail Thursday luntime at which point I was even more annoyed at the fact that they had just ignored me. I ended that e-mail saying, "Given the lack of response, you can now expect a bad review everywhere I have time to put it including having lost not one loyal customer but any further business from my family what so ever. "

I believe it is that statement which prompted MMC to respond to me a couple of hours later that day. I know things can go wrong, and it really is how you deal with it. For me everyday I heard nothing back my anger with the situation just continued to bubble up. Then to only accept the carpet not being fitted in the response was what just did it for me, they got an angry e-mail in response and it has been radio silent since. So to me that speaks volumes in that they aren't interested in fixing this relationship so as Mark mentions below they have had ample time to get on the phone or call me in to have a face to face - let's face it they just aren't interested.
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c8rkh wrote:I do think that would be a most excellent outcome Steve.

sh*t happens. It is how you deal with it that sets you apart and everything can be resolved properly over a cuppa and a face to face chat when convenient to the customer.

I'm a newish Lotus owner and it was down to Brandon that I am an enthusiastic Lotus owner so I do hope MMC can get back on track. Competition gives people a choice and options, what with CM and no Hayton's in Carlisle there is real competition so the bar needs to be raised to respond, not lowered.

As for a rumoured blacklist if you use a competitor I really do hope that is just idle chit chat and not the truth. Pretty petty and small minded if not and says volumes about character.
I think this has gone way beyond that, Saj has given them plenty of time and opportunity to rectify the situation and ultimately had to deal with lotus directly himself to get anywhere. Not only that he was given his car back with parts not fitted and with faults that were not present on the car when it was passed to them. The fact that they deny responsibility for said faults and improper re-fitment of the interior is shocking from a main agent!
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Re: That is it i'm done with using Murray Lotus for good!

Post by c8rkh » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:56 pm

Fair dinkum Saj. As you say they have had the benefit of the doubt.

What worries me, personally, is the lack of trained technicians available. I know a car is just a car and they all go bang, suck, blow whatever, but the experience comes in useful not for routine servicing (there's a schedule and instructions for that) but in the diagnosis and identification of problems. Some will be known but obscure, but an experienced Tech will always have a good idea where to look and what to do.

I think for this reason alone I'll be taking my car elsewhere for maintenance etc. You just can't beat experience when it comes to fixing stuff.

Hope you get the car back out and get back in soon.
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Post by rawsco » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:52 pm

It's a shame, in a niche owners group reputation is everything and they've lost that now. Customers will be deserting them but I guess they don't give a rats arse, in proportion terms the lotus marque probably makes them pittance. Hell mend them. I lost all hope on my last encounter when I ordered a new wiper arm and they tried to charge me a tenner plus VAT for the nyloc nut. I've tested them with a few small things here and there and they've failed on all by usually attempting to rip me off. another was tyres, 1200 quid for a set of A048s when they were retailing for about 700 elsewhere. I just laughed and said no thanks.
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Post by j2 lot » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:11 pm

I am even more gutted reading this thread as the posts rack up. It is sad to see loyal customers being let down and venting when the service was so good before the changes of the last year or so . I hope for everyone's sake that there is early resolution and all parties can get on enjoying driving/ fixing their respective Lotus cars wherever they use for servicing :?
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Post by SAJ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:07 pm

rawsco wrote:It's a shame, in a niche owners group reputation is everything and they've lost that now. Customers will be deserting them but I guess they don't give a rats arse, in proportion terms the lotus marque probably makes them pittance. Hell mend them. I lost all hope on my last encounter when I ordered a new wiper arm and they tried to charge me a tenner plus VAT for the nyloc nut. I've tested them with a few small things here and there and they've failed on all by usually attempting to rip me off. another was tyres, 1200 quid for a set of A048s when they were retailing for about 700 elsewhere. I just laughed and said no thanks.
:damnfunny @£1200, my Michelin Pilot Cup 2 on the Evora cost me £1000 fully fitted via one of the guys in the Rev Limits private group and that's 285/30/20 and 235/35/19 so not small tyres and not cheap being Cup 2 so that shows how silly that price is for A048s on the Exige.
j2 lot wrote:I am even more gutted reading this thread as the posts rack up. It is sad to see loyal customers being let down and venting when the service was so good before the changes of the last year or so . I hope for everyone's sake that there is early resolution and all parties can get on enjoying driving/ fixing their respective Lotus cars wherever they use for servicing :?
Tell me about it - I was one of their biggest advocates before. :(
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Post by SAJ » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:41 am

So still had no further response from MMC so popped the car into CMC this morning to fix the remaining issues with the car. Turns out the reason the airbag light was on was because a connector of some sort for the passenger seat wasn't connected up. The reason the rear lighter/power socket on the tunnel wasn't working was because it also hadn't been connected up! Problems all resolved thanks to Craig and his guys.

Hand on heart if CMC wasn't around not sure what I'd have done.

Thanks again Craig - top man :thumbsup
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Post by douglasgdmw » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:53 pm

Saj,

Glad that it has all been sorted by CMC and such a simple issue to rectify as well (if you know what your looking for on these cars).

Just wondering whether Murray's are allowed to have a car leave its premises with the airbag light on. If you had an accident and the airbag was inoperative would Murray's not be liable?

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Post by SAJ » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:54 pm

douglasgdmw wrote:Saj,

Glad that it has all been sorted by CMC and such a simple issue to rectify as well (if you know what your looking for on these cars).

Just wondering whether Murray's are allowed to have a car leave its premises with the airbag light on. If you had an accident and the airbag was inoperative would Murray's not be liable?

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You're probably right, but they fully denied it left them like that. :cry:

Bumped into your lovely lady while at CMC, had a good chit chat with her too. :)
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Post by douglasgdmw » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:54 pm

SAJ wrote:Bumped into your lovely lady while at CMC, had a good chit chat with her too. :)
She did say you bumped into each other, another great service from CMC as well :thumbsup
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Post by twisted2fit » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:09 am

how depressing:-( its put me off buying an evora 400:-(

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Post by j2 lot » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:23 pm

I would say poor service from MMC is still better than you get from many of the other retailers out there & to put some perspective - there are still good reports circulating about MMC so it's not all bad news and they have turned things around in the past.
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Post by scott_e » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:47 pm

We seem to go over this every few years with MMC. They are good, then bad, then put effort into things again , then drop away. Its great CMC are around to give us an option. Market forces are working properly.

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Post by mwmackenzie » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:46 pm

scott_e wrote:We seem to go over this every few years with MMC. They are good, then bad, then put effort into things again , then drop away. Its great CMC are around to give us an option. Market forces are working properly.
Surely if market forces were working properly then MMC service would be outstanding due to the very local competition? It's funny how the good service kinda follows Craig? :damnfunny Any how I hope someone from MMC reads this thread and is inspired to make some serious changes to bring great service to all their customers not just a some! :thumbsup
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Post by Victor Meldrew » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:04 pm

mwmackenzie wrote:
scott_e wrote:We seem to go over this every few years with MMC. They are good, then bad, then put effort into things again , then drop away. Its great CMC are around to give us an option. Market forces are working properly.
Surely if market forces were working properly then MMC service would be outstanding due to the very local competition? It's funny how the good service kinda follows Craig? :damnfunny Any how I hope someone from MMC reads this thread and is inspired to make some serious changes to bring great service to all their customers not just a some! :thumbsup
I am going to make a bold sweeping statement...

[insert dealer name here} are only interested in customers who bring the cars in for routine servicing when the cars are relatively new. As soon as they are out of warranty then you might as well forget they exist. Unless you bought your last car for cash and are in the market for a new one... God save you if you bought an older car on finance...
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Post by SAJ » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:06 pm

j2 lot wrote:I would say poor service from MMC is still better than you get from many of the other retailers out there & to put some perspective - there are still good reports circulating about MMC so it's not all bad news and they have turned things around in the past.
It isn't over yet, watch this space it gets worse!!!
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