Global Warming - it's all a scam

MacK · Post by **MacK** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:25 pm

Dominic wrote: TBH I have not been sure about all the global warming tosh for some time..IMHO

But it's not tosh, the world is getting warmer.

Dominic · Post by **Dominic** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:45 pm

MacK wrote:
Dominic wrote: TBH I have not been sure about all the global warming tosh for some time..IMHO
But it's not tosh, the world is getting warmer.

Sorry; should be more specific. What I was meaning was, that cars being solely responsible for global warming, is tosh.

... was getting into too much of a rant

MacK · Post by **MacK** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:53 pm

Dominic wrote:
MacK wrote:
Dominic wrote: TBH I have not been sure about all the global warming tosh for some time..IMHO
But it's not tosh, the world is getting warmer.
Sorry; should be more specific. What I was meaning was, that cars being solely responsible for global warming, is tosh. ... was getting into too much of a rant

Digital · Post by **Digital** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:55 pm

State Of Fear by Michael Crichton is well worth a read, the basic premise being that governments always need some way of controlling the population, in the past it has been via fear of the cold war, now it's global warming. He was hated by the greenies for daring to even raise it as a topic for discussion

I'm still far from convinced this is anything other than natural climate change, who's to say we should always have the same climate as we do now? Volcanoes and cows have a bigger effect on CO2 production anyway.

pfw · Post by **pfw** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:58 pm

MacK wrote:
Dominic wrote: TBH I have not been sure about all the global warming tosh for some time..IMHO
But it's not tosh, the world is getting warmer.

One thing the programme didn't touch on was that if you accept the close correlation between solar activity and temperature then the warming trend may slow down over the next few years and even reverse as we are expected to enter a period of lower solar activity. Although it's very much a fringe view, I have seen people suggest that by 2012 we could be back to a 1963 style winter, which would be a shock

That said, I don't know if you'd find many scientists who really believe cosmic rays play a significant role in cloud formation - the mechanism for this wasn't really explained in detail.

I thought it was an interesting watch TBH. I'd like to see a rebuttal next week from the "other side" for balance but I don't know if such a film exists. The presentation from the mainstream news media is usually so hysterical and ill informed that it's virtually useless.

Bring on the Spanish climate I say. Time for a blat to help it along

james · Post by **james** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:59 pm

pfw wrote: I'd like to see a rebuttal next week from the "other side" for balance but I don't know if such a film exists.

Yes it does - its that Al Gore film which apparently doesnt look close enough at the data.

The world is warming up - thats a fact. The point was whats doing it.

Lets see, little old us and our share of the 0.05% CO2 or the largest power in our solar system after gravity? MMMMmmmmmm lets think about that for a second.

mac · Post by **mac** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:28 pm

The planet is older than tut. if we are doing something it doesn't like it will get rid of us in the same manner that we swat a fly at a BBQ.

Mac

DDtB · Post by **DDtB** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:29 pm

mac wrote:The planet is older than tut. if we are doing something it doesn't like it will get rid of us in the same manner that we swat a fly at a BBQ.

Mac

Better keep my eye out then for a giant rolled up Daily Record!

andreww · Post by **andreww** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:45 pm

How about the fact that the world started heating up at almost the exact point we started burning fossil fuels, just a coincidence ?

Dominic · Post by **Dominic** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:00 pm

andreww wrote:How about the fact that the world started heating up at almost the exact point we started burning fossil fuels, just a coincidence ?

Yup... all to do with solar activity & natural heating / cooling cycles.

thinfourth · Post by **thinfourth** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:00 pm

andreww wrote:How about the fact that the world started heating up at almost the exact point we started burning fossil fuels, just a coincidence ?

Oh please

You live in Scotland You know that place with lots of rolling valleys with big boulders down the bottom that are completely different to the bedrock at the site they sit. its called glacial erosion.

Seen any glaciers recently

No they all melted

Therefore the only conclusion that we can come to is wooly mammoths invented cars and caused global warming to melt them all

pfw · Post by **pfw** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:14 pm

james wrote:
pfw wrote: I'd like to see a rebuttal next week from the "other side" for balance but I don't know if such a film exists.
Yes it does - its that Al Gore film which apparently doesnt look close enough at the data.

True, I guess I should see that. It's got a politician in though, which is a bad sign and the clip they showed wasn't encouraging.

I thought the clip of the 70s program about global cooling with the end contribution by the "nutter" suggesting man made C02 might bring about warming instead was the highlight. Great to compare the hysterical pictures about the approaching wall of ice then with the current ones of rising sea levels and floods. It will be fascinating to see how the current mainstream views look in 30 years time with the benefit of hindsight. Assuming we haven't killed the planet by then or something *cough*

Post by **ironside** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:22 pm

Dominic wrote: Yup... all to do with solar activity & natural heating / cooling cycles.

. . . which may be the cause of HGF.

pfw · Post by **pfw** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:25 pm

andreww wrote:How about the fact that the world started heating up at almost the exact point we started burning fossil fuels, just a coincidence ?

But note that the world actually cooled between the 1950s and 1970s despite the fact that human CO2 emissions were rocketing at the time (post war boom). The problem is that this could be interpreted two ways:

- the earth was undergoing a natural cooling cycle anyway and the C02 emissions offset this, reducing the cooling. As soon as the cooling cycle ended the C02 emissions begin to amplify the natural temperature increases (i.e. 1980s - present day)
- the C02 AGW climate link is nonsense and the 1950s - 1970s period demonstrates this in that the climate cooled as C02 concentrations increased. Current warming is due to increased solar activity and when (if) the sun calms down the climate will cool.

(This is fun - I'm much better at bullsh*tting on this subject than I am on cars

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mac · Post by **mac** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:29 pm

i'm with Sir Terry on this one :-

it's all just a ballancing act - we use fossil fuels for heating as we are too cold. once the earth warms we won't need to use them so much so it will cool again.

It's just like your boiler in the house - when the temp get too cold the boiler fires, when it's up to temp it goes off again.

simple really

Mac