It probably just that your normally ordering a bacon roll around that time
Mac
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Hi guys!
Bad news first - I won't be doing instructing again in that way. I didn't know Knockhill offered instrcutors to Tracknight organisers as I'd worked for other trackday organisers elsewhere but then again that was airfield work so it is my fault for not checking. Sorry!
Good news - I was really impressed by you lot while I was there! Not just driving abilities but driving standards as well. And please don't forget I am still a Knockhill Instructor and they do private lessons where you can bring your own car. They are more expensive yes but you do get a practically empty track in the evenings and an hours worth of non-stop intruction so not bad value really. Hopefully the feedback from people who have had Hy-performance drives (like Tom, Ed, Tenkfeet and a few others) will back up what I'm saying!
Just to reiterate it wasn't Knockhill getting upset - was my fault for not checking up. Live and learn though!!
Bad news first - I won't be doing instructing again in that way. I didn't know Knockhill offered instrcutors to Tracknight organisers as I'd worked for other trackday organisers elsewhere but then again that was airfield work so it is my fault for not checking. Sorry!
Good news - I was really impressed by you lot while I was there! Not just driving abilities but driving standards as well. And please don't forget I am still a Knockhill Instructor and they do private lessons where you can bring your own car. They are more expensive yes but you do get a practically empty track in the evenings and an hours worth of non-stop intruction so not bad value really. Hopefully the feedback from people who have had Hy-performance drives (like Tom, Ed, Tenkfeet and a few others) will back up what I'm saying!
Just to reiterate it wasn't Knockhill getting upset - was my fault for not checking up. Live and learn though!!
Yep, I can vouch for that. Last time out, they said something about they'd intended having Gordon Shedden do the instruction but that was just after his BTCC incident at Mondello (I think), so they used someone else. It is pretty disappointing though as I would definitely have been interested in this in the future and the KH instructors don't seem to spend that long with people on SIDC days.mac wrote:He say's it at every other occasion too Neil.
It probably just that your normally ordering a bacon roll around that time
Mac
Shame I was looking forward to some instruction .
I did the Hy-performance course as I had not been on a track and enjoyed it . It made my first track day much easier . Unfortunately its just too expensive to be a regular instruction opportunity .How about an SE discount if there was enough takers ? If it was broken down into sessions it could be quite efficient use of the track and instructors time.
I did the Hy-performance course as I had not been on a track and enjoyed it . It made my first track day much easier . Unfortunately its just too expensive to be a regular instruction opportunity .How about an SE discount if there was enough takers ? If it was broken down into sessions it could be quite efficient use of the track and instructors time.
Okay folks - Knockhill has a forum and email address - get posting... 
http://www.knockhill.com
Let's just not get Sarah in trouble - keep it more to the angle that it's a valuable opportunity and there are many of us who won't have time or money to do a Hyperformance day. Instruction also means better track behaviour and less chance of accidents for them to sweep up.
They have, in the past, been willing to bow to popular opinion (whilst never looking like they are backtracking
) so it's worth a shot.
http://www.knockhill.com
Let's just not get Sarah in trouble - keep it more to the angle that it's a valuable opportunity and there are many of us who won't have time or money to do a Hyperformance day. Instruction also means better track behaviour and less chance of accidents for them to sweep up.
They have, in the past, been willing to bow to popular opinion (whilst never looking like they are backtracking
) so it's worth a shot.2010 Honda VFR1200F
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Shug wrote:Okay folks - Knockhill has a forum and email address - get posting...
http://www.knockhill.com
Let's just not get Sarah in trouble -
eh. please dont. I dont think she'll appreceiate that shug. this is her lively hood thats at stake if someone takes our posts the wrong way.
Okay, point taken. Not specifically about Sarah - but from what I see (I wasn't there, correct me if I'm wrong) KH had no instructor there. Is it the case that KH charge the circuit hirer for use of a KH instructor and specifically exclude any other instruction if the hirer doesn't pay for it? Or do they offer it as a freebie (can't see it)mckeann wrote:Shug wrote:Okay folks - Knockhill has a forum and email address - get posting...
http://www.knockhill.com
Let's just not get Sarah in trouble -
eh. please dont. I dont think she'll appreceiate that shug. this is her lively hood thats at stake if someone takes our posts the wrong way.
If that's the case, I don't think it's particularly fair to the paying guests of the track. Can we get some sort of clarification from KH about what is allowed and what is not?
In no way do I suggest that we ride KH's ass about this, just find out what their rules are and why. I mean, nobody knew about this before they red flagged Sarah, did they?
If they've got it all locked up then fair enough (well, not really, but T&C's are just that, I suppose) but it would be nice to know about it in advance.
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If that's the case shug - its bloomin' nonsense. I can't see why a circuit like KH can possibly try to 'exclude' track instruction in the scenario suggested (i.e. track hirer doesn't pay, therefore no instructors) - how do they intend to enforce it? Do they class the laps I did with my porker driving mate as instruction? He was teaching me lines, and braking points etc? Or is it a rule of no instruction for profit? - again a no brainer of how to get round that one.
That rant aside - I can't see how it benefits KH or those that regularly use it to exclude opportunities for learning how better to drive the circuit. KH prides itself on being run for the drivers - but that scenario suggests what I've sadly suspected all along, its all about the £££. If they can cover their overheads by renting the track out - then what's there to loose by allowing someone out on there instructing? If they need to include the price of an instrtructor to keep the place afloat, then their pricing structure is woefully inadequate.
If they're going to be all "its my ball, and I say he's no playing" about it, it just makes me more inclined to find an alternative place to go driving. Bring back EF!!
That rant aside - I can't see how it benefits KH or those that regularly use it to exclude opportunities for learning how better to drive the circuit. KH prides itself on being run for the drivers - but that scenario suggests what I've sadly suspected all along, its all about the £££. If they can cover their overheads by renting the track out - then what's there to loose by allowing someone out on there instructing? If they need to include the price of an instrtructor to keep the place afloat, then their pricing structure is woefully inadequate.
If they're going to be all "its my ball, and I say he's no playing" about it, it just makes me more inclined to find an alternative place to go driving. Bring back EF!!
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Greg, as you say, if it's the case, it's a bit shabby. No point ranting till we find out what the problem is though. As Neil points out (and reminded me 
) Sarah does make her living from them. We don't want to make anything uncomfortable for her.
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Whoa!
Knockhill already had a procedure in place for trackday organisers but as I'm only a humble instructor I didn't realise what was involved in the booking procedure.
Its not expensive in relative terms - so maybe if a few of you got together and spoke to the track day organisers about the extra cost then you could have instructors again at your events!
I love working at Knockhill - and the reason it gets such a good rep is because all the staff are so enthusiastic -which is why I jumped right in with both feet without properly checking up about Tracknight instruction so please don't have a go at Khill, ask your trackday organisers about getting a khill instructor
Sarah
PS - thanks for your good feedback on my instructing guys
Knockhill already had a procedure in place for trackday organisers but as I'm only a humble instructor I didn't realise what was involved in the booking procedure.
Its not expensive in relative terms - so maybe if a few of you got together and spoke to the track day organisers about the extra cost then you could have instructors again at your events!
I love working at Knockhill - and the reason it gets such a good rep is because all the staff are so enthusiastic -which is why I jumped right in with both feet without properly checking up about Tracknight instruction so please don't have a go at Khill, ask your trackday organisers about getting a khill instructor
Sarah
PS - thanks for your good feedback on my instructing guys
Did not realise that this thread had expanded.
The reason that Sasha gave me was that they did not like an Instructor touting for business, it was not fair on the rest of them.
On SIDC days there used to be free instruction included, this was how I started when I went out with Sashas husband, Alan for half an hour, and later on with Gordon Shedden and a couple of others.
I did ask whether this was still included, but not sure if it was an SIDC day or HM, but was told no. JohnS will clarify.
tut
The reason that Sasha gave me was that they did not like an Instructor touting for business, it was not fair on the rest of them.
On SIDC days there used to be free instruction included, this was how I started when I went out with Sashas husband, Alan for half an hour, and later on with Gordon Shedden and a couple of others.
I did ask whether this was still included, but not sure if it was an SIDC day or HM, but was told no. JohnS will clarify.
tut
I'm sorry if we got you in trouble for helping us out.
Most people know, i approached you about doing the training as i had asked before about training and never got a decent answer.
To me, it seems a good idea to have an instructor available for hire at tracknights, but obviously its gotta be through knockhill, and not privately like we arranged. Hopefully you'll still do the instruction, but through the proper channels
cheers
neil
Most people know, i approached you about doing the training as i had asked before about training and never got a decent answer.
To me, it seems a good idea to have an instructor available for hire at tracknights, but obviously its gotta be through knockhill, and not privately like we arranged. Hopefully you'll still do the instruction, but through the proper channels
cheers
neil