F1

[tut]

But they are being stupid. They know the rules, so if they want to implement their off track team orders, all they have to do is radio Massa to say that he is running short of fuel, so needs to go to g8 or whatever to reduce the revs to 17,000. They can also do that to his car from the pits.

No publicity, no media attention, no FIA intervention. Or is it me being stupid and have missed something?

tut

[PhilA]

i agree that it was against the rules.
i agreed that a rule should have been put in place after schumie's pass in 2002, that was on like 40 - 50 points total - far too early for team orders.

my proposal: i think it should be changed so team orders are allowed in the last 6 races of the year, exacly for the case of a team able to get a driver to win the championship.

at the current part of the championship, its quite able for massa to get close to the front few and he isnt that far behind alonso.

[Edin430]

Who cares? It makes no difference to the results, except that Alonso gets some more points and Massa gets fewer - that was a potential outcome in any case

My dad had quite a few pounds riding on a Massa win so needless to say he would care..

[duggiesmith]

The way I see it, as long as there are 2 drivers per team, there will be team orders (it is a team sport after all), so the FIA might as well abolish the law which currently forbids them.

As it stands, teams will just get round the law by telling 1 driver to save fuel for example. What Ferrari did was probably what most teams would have done, they just weren't very subtle about it.

Should they be punished? Technically yes, because they broke the rules.
Is the rule right? IMO No.

[j2 lot]

Ferarri fined $100,000 but result stands.

[PhilA]

Ferarri fined $100,000 but result stands.

money talks in F1, again.
should have been 30 second penalty and so down to 4th and 5th imho.
that ruling just shouts "buy us"

[alicrozier]

Who cares? It makes no difference to the results, except that Alonso gets some more points and Massa gets fewer - that was a potential outcome in any case

My dad had quite a few pounds riding on a Massa win so needless to say he would care..

I had Massa in the work sweepie...

[tut]

£65K, price of a used F360.

That will certainly teach them a lesson.

tut

[The Hoff]

...moving swiftly on to Moto GP at 10pm..

nuff said.

Cowan

[robin]

Who cares? It makes no difference to the results, except that Alonso gets some more points and Massa gets fewer - that was a potential outcome in any case

My dad had quite a few pounds riding on a Massa win so needless to say he would care..

But he should have looked at the history and known that it would not be allowed to happen ... I once had a bet on Ruby to win and the same thing happened with Schumi being allowed through on the last lap (it was only £1 though ). I complained to the book makers that the result was a fix and that all bets should be off. They said that whatever the FIA (or perhaps it was the stewards) declare to be the result of the race, that's what it is, even if it's a fix. For example, if you had money riding on the race that Flav/Piquet fixed to Alonso's advantage, even now that it's known to be a fix, the bets would still stand.

So, betting on F1 is like betting on the wrestling and should therefore be avoided, unless you're in a position to fix the race, of course.

Cheers,
Robin

[Matelotman]

I'm sure that Massa's new 2 year sympathy contract contains clauses referring to Alono's numero uno status............. and I'm sure he'll be reminded of that before he shows up at Hungary all smiles.

As for Moto GP.................. Lorenzo to scoosh it ahead of Pedrosa

[Sanjøy]

"Smokey this is not Vietnam, this is bowling, there are rules."

[Corranga]

(it is a team sport after all)

This come to my mind too. Why would the FIA not let Ferrari enter a 3rd car? Why couldn't the FIA let the new teams like the supposedly financially unstable Hispania enter only 1 car. They, and us as fans strive for closer racing and more competitive cars on the grid.

Of course, well, certainly as far as I can think, there is actually no rules in F1 that promote it being a team sport, but there are many that make it a disadvantage. You can't have team orders, only 1 pit box per team, no sharing of tyres between drivers etc...

Chris

[Dominic]

There have been some great races this year, with a lot of good racing going on. A few boring races too. I (as ever) watched yesterday, hoping for another decent race. I know I need to watch them, in order to see the good races, but yesterday's race left me wondering why I bothered. I am slowly but surely loosing interest, and Ferrari's antics yesterday are not helping that.

[jason]

This come to my mind too. Why would the FIA not let Ferrari enter a 3rd car? Why couldn't the FIA let the new teams like the supposedly financially unstable Hispania enter only 1 car. They, and us as fans strive for closer racing and more competitive cars on the grid.

Why would Ferrari (or any team) having 3 cars lead to closer racing? Surely that would just see more cars affected by a team's unspectacular result manipulation. If the top teams had 3 (or more) cars then there'd be even less chance for the smaller teams to score points, less incentive for them to participate and continue to take the pain on their learning curve. 2 cars per team is for a very good, very fair reason.

Of course, well, certainly as far as I can think, there is actually no rules in F1 that promote it being a team sport, but there are many that make it a disadvantage. You can't have team orders, only 1 pit box per team, no sharing of tyres between drivers etc...

No, you're right, probably no explicitly beneficial rules these days - especially since the banning of the T-car. But... two cars in free practice can choose to pool data, thus benefiting the team's engineers - this is a benefit of teamwork. Splitting strategies of your two cars to cover all bases - this is a benefit of teamwork. Constructors' Championship - this rewards the most successful team. Constructor's points hierarchy - this provides hugely advantageous financial rewards to the most successful teams. And so on.