WTF have they done??!!? - updated

Post by **simon** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:59 pm

I'd be very worried by the damage in the 4th pic. If that's the chassis, it looks like part of it has separated

Post by **Shug** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:43 pm

simon wrote:I'd be very worried by the damage in the 4th pic. If that's the chassis, it looks like part of it has separated

4th pic is where the front undertray joins the chassis. It's the undertray that's lifted and bent - the main chassis starts at this join.

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:23 pm

I would say they have lifted the car with the undertray on and the bolts in place. The jacking point IIRC is where those bolts fit into but it is only thin steel so placement would be crucial.

Did they know about the jacking points? Did they ask?

Remember the bolt points are part of the subframe and the lower wishbone mounts... Anyone else thinking he should claim another geo just in case (Done by someone else!)

I would echo the thoughts on a 2 poster, having watched them in use at masterfit while my MOT was going on, the liz would never have made it over the central ridge without bottoming out and the arms would be far too tall without the operator changing them from the default "Corsa" settings, hence parallel-ish scratches

Go get'em

I'll gladly authenticate your photos as a responsible upstanding member of the community.

Flight Lieutenant Richard Humble BEng(Hons) RAF
56(R) Squadron
RAF Leuchars

Rich

Post by **Shug** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:31 pm

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:I would say they have lifted the car with the undertray on and the bolts in place. The jacking point IIRC is where those bolts fit into but it is only thin steel so placement would be crucial.

Nope - the jacking points are the bolts to the rear - those are the front bolts holding on the undertray. I've seen the car jacked there before, but I've also seen more than 1 (including mine) car with the mounts bent, I assume as a result.

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:40 pm

Gotcha, see what you mean now

If they were unsure they should have checked (Just not with me!)

Scottd · Post by **Scottd** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:45 pm

Quick update and your opinions pleaseâ€¦.

Iâ€™ve been to Perth twice now, the last time I saw the Manager and the Direct Line engineer (my car was in JM getting repaired by the third parties insurer Direct Line). I'm not entirely sure why the direct line Engineer was there, he was saying it wasn't anything to do with them. He just seemed to back up what ever the JMG manager said. He also kept saying that every Elise has scores like this under the car, and I kept replying that it was irrelevant because mine certainly didnâ€™t until it went into JM! (he also said I should be careful what I post on the internet

)

So..the JM manager agreed to do a â€˜dressing upâ€™ as well as saying they'd check the chassis and give me a letter confirming is was still straight. The â€˜dressing upâ€™ would involve straightening out the undertrays and the brackets the bolts screw intoâ€¦ which would be good because the undertray is vibrating badly and resting on the flexi section, probably doing it no good at all. I'm tempted to just give them the car anb be done with it.

But then on the other handâ€¦ Iâ€™m fed up having to drive thro there, god knows when Iâ€™ll see the car again, Iâ€™m not very happy with the term â€˜dressing upâ€™. And what bothers me the most it that the under side of the chassis has two big scores which it didnâ€™t have before grrr

So what you think I should do, just get them to srot what they said theyâ€™d do and be done with it? Tempting :-/

Gareth · Post by **Gareth** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:51 pm

Scottd wrote: (he also said I should be careful what I post on the internet )

Ha, I've been threatened with that one before...

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:56 pm

Elises do not all have scrapes like that (just the SE ones

) ask Lotus, they do not leave the factory like that. Even better ask for a repair quote form MMC and present them with that and see what happens

You can post what you like on t'internet as long as it true. You have a right to express your opinions as you like.

They have to repair all of the damage they have inflicted on your car. Scrapes and all. But remember (IIRC!) the chassis cannot be repaired officially so either a new chassis or suitable compensation....

Post by **Shug** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:57 pm

Scottd wrote:Quick update and your opinions pleaseâ€¦.

Iâ€™ve been to Perth twice now, the last time I saw the Manager and the Direct Line engineer (my car was in JM getting repaired by the third parties insurer Direct Line). I'm not entirely sure why the direct line Engineer was there, he was saying it wasn't anything to do with them. He just seemed to back up what ever the JMG manager said. He also kept saying that every Elise has scores like this under the car, and I kept replying that it was irrelevant because mine certainly didnâ€™t until it went into JM! (he also said I should be careful what I post on the internet )

So..the JM manager agreed to do a â€˜dressing upâ€™ as well as saying they'd check the chassis and give me a letter confirming is was still straight. The â€˜dressing upâ€™ would involve straightening out the undertrays and the brackets the bolts screw intoâ€¦ which would be good because the undertray is vibrating badly and resting on the flexi section, probably doing it no good at all. I'm tempted to just give them the car anb be done with it.

But then on the other handâ€¦ Iâ€™m fed up having to drive thro there, god knows when Iâ€™ll see the car again, Iâ€™m not very happy with the term â€˜dressing upâ€™. And what bothers me the most it that the under side of the chassis has two big scores which it didnâ€™t have before grrr

So what you think I should do, just get them to srot what they said theyâ€™d do and be done with it? Tempting :-/

I think it's time you PM'ed Super Greg.... Copies of everything you've got in writing... Don't let them try the 'put the sh*t up you' rubbish about posting stuff on the internet.

Nail em to the wall - as somebody said in another thread recently, if it was in your house, it would be criminal damage.

mac · Post by **mac** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:58 pm

Mandy's undertray is in perfect nick.

Probably the best one I've seen.

Mac

Post by **Shug** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:58 pm

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:Elises do not all have scrapes like that (just the SE ones ) ask Lotus, they do not leave the factory like that. Even better ask for a repair quote form MMC and present them with that and see what happens

I believe this is JM bodyshop in Perth - ie, part of the same group as Murrays....

Post by **Shug** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:59 pm

mac wrote:Mandy's undertray is in perfect nick.

Probably the best one I've seen.

Mac

....words fail me......

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:04 pm

Oh...

Time to get medieval then.

MMC and the wider JM group don't seem to be doing very well at the moment...

mckeann · Post by **mckeann** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:10 pm

Shug wrote:
mac wrote:Mandy's undertray is in perfect nick.

Probably the best one I've seen.

Mac
....words fail me......

i'm sure she'll apreciate the compliment, but maybe not boasting about it to the lads eh mac.

Andy G · Post by **Andy G** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:16 pm