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Post by simon » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:09 pm

Michael wrote:The 2nd car can be registered to someone else(your dad), is therefore not "your own". Your fully comp on the Lotus will therefore cover it.
Not sure how you think you can explain your way out of that should you crash it. Not worth the risk and if someone doing this crashed into me, I'd be rather p!ssed off with them.

Also, the thing where you add yourself to your parent's policy is bollocks and insurance companies are aware of it and will shaft you if you do it.

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Post by robin » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:10 pm

Michael wrote:The 2nd car can be registered to someone else(your dad), is therefore not "your own". Your fully comp on the Lotus will therefore cover it.

Im sure we can all restrict our use of the runaround for emergency use anyway...eg. excessive salt on the roads for the Lotus, erm, rain/poor visibility...having to park in a dodgy area...etc, etc :lol:
Arf. Well good luck with that - pretty sure they define owner as the legal owner and not the registered keeper; if you're dad doesn't insure, drive or otherwise use the car (or in my case, even have a license) you may be struggling to claim it's his car when it comes to the crunch, as it were ...

It'll probably never come to it but remember this - if you spade someone in an Enzo leaving them needing care for life and your insurance company calls your bluff, you may be looking at £mucho for life and/or bankruptcy (sp?).

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Post by RDH » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:23 pm

The prophets of doom are speaking - how do the insurance company know your Dad(or whoever) doesn't drive it! - that's irrelevant anyway!

When looking for a cheap shed - I asked Elephant whether I needed to insure a second car - he said as long as the car itself was insured - my existing policy would cover it! But the car itself had to be insured by someone! Therefore if I was to drive my Dad's X-type Jag, with his permission and hit somebody - I'm insured under my policy, on a 3rd party basis! (he'd be a wee bit pissed off tho!)

Under road traffic laws you have to be insured at least third party, it doesn't matter if that be on your policy driving someone else's car ( as long as it's insured by them and with their permission) or as a named driver on their policy, or if their policy covers any driver - you are covered! :!:
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Post by simon » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:28 pm

Where do you keep it then?
If you don't keep it at the registered keeper's address then that's a get out clause for them. There's a whole bunch of ways for them to get out of it regardless of who may or may not drive it.

Not worth it for a few hundred quid IMO.

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Post by RDH » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:30 pm

simon wrote:Where do you keep it then?
If you don't keep it at the registered keeper's address then that's a get out clause for them. There's a whole bunch of ways for them to get out of it regardless of who may or may not drive it.

Not worth it for a few hundred quid IMO.
Your insurance quote asks you where it's kept - doesn't have to be at the registered keepers address!

I'm just stating the facts, as I see them!
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Post by dezzy » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:51 pm

AFAIK, most fully-comp insurance policies cover you to drive someone else's car third-party, as long as the owner of the car has legal insurance. That's why I've got no problem letting my friends have a shot of the Lotus and why I've driven their cars without actually being added to their policies.

They don't all have it, but most people I know do have this on their policy.
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Post by Michael » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:11 pm

Admiral say you are insured on the car owned by someone else that isnt insured by the owner but it shouldnt be on the road.

A slight grey area methinks.

They add that, we would have to look into that if and when the time comes.

Not an area Im willing dabble in!

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Post by Lawrence » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:13 pm

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Lawrence, what does B.I.B stand for )and the other acronym) out of interest?
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Post by Michael » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:15 pm

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Post by simon » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:17 pm

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Post by RDH » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:07 am

shooomer wrote:So if this shed has to be insured by someone why not just take out a 3rd party policy yourself?
Depends how bad your claim history etc is - if your NCB is on the Lotus - it might be more than the car's worth to insure a shed in you own name! ie £700-£800 to insure a car worth £250 ( trust me - that's the quotes I've been getting)
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Post by robin » Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:30 am

RDH wrote:The prophets of doom are speaking - how do the insurance company know your Dad(or whoever) doesn't drive it! - that's irrelevant anyway!
Why it is irrelevant?

Either it doesn't matter who the sole or primary user of a car is, in which case they have no interest in who uses it, and you're right it would then be irrelevant.

Or it does matter who the sole or primary user of a car is, in which case the fact that they don't know it's really you and not your Dad is the difference between you being insured and not.

The reason it's likely to matter is pretty obvious to anyone - you're insuring two cars for the price of one and the insurance companies tend to think each car should be insured for itself with the proper usage declared and all material facts disclosed.
When looking for a cheap shed - I asked Elephant whether I needed to insure a second car - he said as long as the car itself was insured - my existing policy would cover it! But the car itself had to be insured by someone! Therefore if I was to drive my Dad's X-type Jag, with his permission and hit somebody - I'm insured under my policy, on a 3rd party basis! (he'd be a wee bit pissed off tho!)
Did you tell them you planned on purchasing and being the sole or primary user of a second car that someone else was going to register and insure TPO just so you could drive it under your existing policy?

Might be worth asking exactly that question if not. If you did ask that and they said yes it would be OK I am somewhat surprised, but well done.

Insurance companies are number crunchers; for a small claim they won't go to town on working out how to wriggle out of paying because it's cheaper to pay out. For a huge claim they will try anything they can to avoid paying or to recover their costs after paying.

Like I said, it will probably never happen, but it's a very large financial risk that even insurance-adverse types like myself won't take.

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Post by RDH » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:35 am

robin wrote: Either it doesn't matter who the sole or primary user of a car is, in which case they have no interest in who uses it, and you're right it would then be irrelevant
That's my point!


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