Has anybody changed their vote about independence??

[c8rkh]

I think it will be the latter. The Scottish Government will pay the DVLA to administer it for Scotland and we will probably fall into line with the rUK re plate formats, number formats etc.to keep the costs down etc.

I would expect a similar arrangement for something like SERA where we end up paying as the UK for the EU to run it for us and so we carry on as is but with a monthly bill to pay. I think this is the practical approach that will be taken, following the lead of the Great Repeal Bill, which wherever possible is bringing the relevant EU legislation into UK law so we run in parallel and it means we do not need to fully replicate etc. Again, a very practical approach and one that already takes a load of the fire from the remoaners who were saying this, that and the other would disappear.

[BiggestNizzy]

I think it will be the latter. The Scottish Government will pay the DVLA to administer it for Scotland and we will probably fall into line with the rUK re plate formats, number formats etc.to keep the costs down etc.

I would expect a similar arrangement for something like SERA where we end up paying as the UK for the EU to run it for us and so we carry on as is but with a monthly bill to pay. I think this is the practical approach that will be taken, following the lead of the Great Repeal Bill, which wherever possible is bringing the relevant EU legislation into UK law so we run in parallel and it means we do not need to fully replicate etc. Again, a very practical approach and one that already takes a load of the fire from the remoaners who were saying this, that and the other would disappear.

From what I gather the remoaners are more worried about the goverment making changes, although this is on the face of it practical, changing words from EU to UK etc, nobody trusts the current goverment to actually stick to changing things for practical reasons.

[c8rkh]

Nobody trusts anyone in power anymore.

And everyone wants to get in first with the doom gloom predictions of what will be done.

Judged and sentenced in advance of doing anything. Unfortunately that's the approach of the remainers.

[campbell]

If people in power met the commitments they made before being granted the power, they'd be trusted to lead others by using no more than a vision.

But they haven't. So why should I trust them or their vision?

If my Dad said "trust me son, I can build you a model railway running all round your bedroom" then failed to deliver, how likely am I to trust him next time he waves a marvellous vision in front of me?

(Editors note - he DID build, it was one of the most impressive achievements I ever saw from him, and yes I trust him more as a result!).

[vet111s]

[thinfourth]

Which is most of my reasons i am against independence

The Scottish government is wall to wall idiots who i would not trust to run a bath. This does not mean i think that the idiots down south are a shining light of competence. They are slightly better but only marginally.

So to trust the scottish numpty party to steer an independent scotland through the days of having no currency, no EU memebership etc and so on to me is utterly laughable.

It is going to be bad enough with the idiots down south having to get round the bump in the road that is leaving the EU

[thinfourth]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-39501748

The SNP blame Brexit while ignoring we haven't left the EU yet and england which is also leaving the EU has a growing economy

At least we know where scotland is heading

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 36788.html

[c8rkh]

If you look at the chart on your first link, it is obvious that since Indyref1 the gap between Scottish performance and rUK started to widen to the detriment of Scotland. Blaming Brexit for everything is just convenient and a smoke stream for the more rudimentary issues we have here in Scotland. It's about time our politicians, of all colours and flavours, were truly held to account in Scotland for their piss poor performance over the past 3 years and more. Hopefully even die-hard SNP supporters can see we are not actually going forwards and are in limbo. And that is no-ones fault but Holyrood's as they persist in not even using the powers they have currently, whilst whinging about more powers they want. Why do they want something they will not use?

[j2 lot]

I saw an interview with Derek Mackay where he basically said Scotlands economic performance was worse as we had a greater understanding of Brexit than England so they weren't taking it seriously..............
Astounding deflection and completely ignoring the tax difference and lack of confidence in the Scottish economy because of potential for Indyref2

[thinfourth]

So the reason that scotland is doing worse then England is that England is a bit thick and racist and aren't scared to death of brexit.

[c8rkh]

Nice summary @thinfourth. I do believe that is what the majority of the SNP think.

[steve_weegie]

Comparing Scotland's economy with the rest of the UK is not a great measure of performance, as rUK is heavily influenced by London and the South East's figures. If you look at a regional level, and compare Scotland against other regions in the UK, you'd find we're in quite a favourable position.

[j2 lot]

But the rUK doesn't 'want' to break away from London & SE so their figures are irrelevant for the purpose of comparison
We no longer have Aberdeen to make our figures look good in fact the last year showed the Oil industry was a net loss to our trading figures.

[c8rkh]

@Steve_Weegie given the number of Scots who join me flying down from Edi to LHR every Monday I would say that a significant number of highly paid Scots DO rely on London and the SE for a significant wedge of their income and slice of their job.

The whole of the UK benefits from London and the SE, including Scotland.

Help us to understand where the replacement for this income is going to come from? Help us to understand how being out of the rUK and on the fringe of the EU will help us trade. Help us understand how as London's financial sector is decimated by Brexit, Scotland's won't be obliterated. Help us to understand how we will replace Scottish Government income from the EU and Westminster with other income, immediately, not in 5 or 10 years, to safeguard front-line services in Health, Education, Policing and local government. Help us to understand what currency we will be using.

Let's stop comparing with rUK and focus on the real questions. You know the hard ones. That need real hard answers. I'm sure the silence will be deafening. It's time for the Independence supporters and leaders to provide definitive answers rather than waffle and deflection. I'll wait in hope for that.

[Corranga]

@Steve_Weegie given the number of Scots who join me flying down from Edi to LHR every Monday I would say that a significant number og highly paid Scots DO rely on London and the SE for a significany wedge of their income and slice of their job.

The whole of the UK benefits from London and the SE, including Scotland.

Help us to understand where the replacement for this income is going to come from? Help us to understand how being out of the rUK and on the fringe of the EU will help us trade. Help us understand how as London's financial sector is decimated by Brexit, Scotlands won't be obliterated. Help us to understand how we will replace Scottish Government income from the EU and Westminster with other income, immediatelt not in 5 or 10 years, to safeguard front line services in Health, Education, Policing and local government. Help us to understand what currency we will be using.

Let's stop comparing with rUK and focus on the real questions. You know the hard ones. That need real hard answers. I'm sure the silence will be deafening. It's time for the Independence supporters and leaders to provide definitive answers rather than waffle and deflection. I'll wait in hope gor that.

This is exactly where I am. Answer those questions and I'll vote with my, err, vote. I can't comprehend putting the future of me, my family, and perhaps even my families family on the line for a wing and a prayer.

Obviously there is just no changing of some people's minds though. That GDP graph shows what we benefit from as part of the UK, and where we would be relative to them if we left. In fact, the 2nd curve INCLUDES Scotland, so we mathematically are pulling it down a little too!

The whole point is that with a portfolio that is vast and better ranged that Scotland has - so comparing to the UK, including London and the SE is entirely the point.
It's no different than looking at, say Lothian vs. Highland. Lothian has the money, and ease of access etc. Highland, needs more money as things are more remote. You need to offer more services per head of population because of geography.
Unless of course you want us to become the In dependant Micro-nations of Scotland - where is that line to be drawn?