Forth Road Bridge - now in intensive care

[j2 lot]

Is fracking the answer? Re- train the available workforce and have all the pins lined up to go on stream when the oil price does start to climb ? A bit of Scottish Government forward thinking and investment rather than sticking their hands over their ears and pretending the oil industry is in good health.

[mckeann]

Is fracking the answer?????

I'm not convinced it's a great idea, you hear a lot of horror stories from true USA about it with regards to water contamination and earthquakes/instability.

[j2 lot]

How much of that is true and how much is the Al Gore green crap? Genuine question - I have no idea if fracking is the way forward or a recipe for earthquakes and global disaster but we will be left behind if the rest of the world goes there and we don't....
Many of the US issues appear to be where fracking is too close / underneath properties and major water sources

Thoughts?

[kenny]

Is fracking the answer?????

I'm not convinced it's a great idea, you hear a lot of horror stories from true USA about it with regards to water contamination and earthquakes/instability.

Nonsense made up by anti-fracking lobby.

The flaming gas taps was a classic. This happens in an area where the tap water is ground sourced i.e. from a well not a surface lake. The area in question has a lot of methane stored in the same aquifer as the water and flaming gas tap phenomenon was known of and happened long before any fracking.

Notwithstanding this fracking take place much, much deeper than ground water supplies and is separated by various layers of non-permeable rock so fracking cannot contaminate water supplies.

Earthquakes can be caused but these are tiny earthquakes that would eventually happen naturally and take place all the time without you feeling a thing. They will also be no worse than the earthquakes caused by coal mining over the last few hundred years. http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/earthq ... uakes.html

Anyway I don't think it will happen soon, as I understand it low oil prices make fracking financially non-viable. Will happen at some point in the future though.

[thinfourth]

How much of that is true and how much is the Al Gore green crap? Genuine question - I have no idea if fracking is the way forward or a recipe for earthquakes and global disaster but we will be left behind if the rest of the world goes there and we don't....
Many of the US issues appear to be where fracking is too close / underneath properties and major water sources

Thoughts?

The earthquakes in question are about the same you get if a fat person falls off a bed

[pete]

How much of that is true and how much is the Al Gore green crap?

Green crap?

[kenny]

Environmental (Green) issues are now heavily politicised, lots of people now view aggressive environmental activism as a great way to push their political agenda.

Unfortunately much of this is nothing more than cynical propaganda hijacking and manipulating genuine good causes and environmental concerns. A shame really. It's no wonder it's dismissed as green crap as 'green' people all to often don't care about the science as long as they can push their agenda.

The Al Gore reference come from Al Gore being a well known total fraud, see Al Gore legal ruling http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/e ... ruths.html

Hope that helps.

[j2 lot]

/\ what he said

[pete]

I haven't seen the Al Gore film but the general, scientifically accepted, view on the global environment is that man is responsible for global warming isn't it?

I thought that was beyond debate really.


(Beyond a few conspiracy outposts - ie youtube comments sections and Pistonheads ).

[tut]

beyond debate........

tut

[kenny]

What global warming?

The doom mongers are all shtting themselves as global temperatures have been static for the last 20 years and their grim predictions of boiling seas are not happening, hence the current trend of 'adjustments' of historical temperature records so the graphs look right.

Anyway this thread is about the Forth Road bridge and general ineptitude of the SNP.

[j2 lot]

http://m.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/142422 ... vironment/
As if on cue: SNP are launching a campaign to encourage Scots to become environmental campaigners after their research revealed that 83% of people could do more to tackle climate change .......

I guess that's a campaign you'll be signing up for Kenny

[campbell]

Anyway this thread is about the Forth Road bridge and general ineptitude of the SNP.

Strictly speaking, it's about the Forth Road Bridge. Perhaps I shouldn't have allowed my frustration with the maintenance row to boil over into the election connection.

Sorry folks! Let's get back to engineering...

[Dominic]

Anyway this thread is about the Forth Road bridge and general ineptitude of the SNP.

Thread drifts are allowed - esp when it's to slate the SNP

[pete]

Thread drifts should be encouraged, it's just s sign it's a conversation.

Even in the days of the email lists they happen and you'd see titles changing "Was FRB then SNP incompetence becoming conspiracy theorists.."