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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by Doc883 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:52 am

Road Rage incident on cyclist :shock: Don't you just wish the guy on the bike was a wee bit handy and gave the van driver the lesson of his life :evil: We have a high % of drivers who are also keen cyclists so keen to hear reactions to this kind of incident and how many wear cameras when out and about ?
http://cars.aol.co.uk/2013/04/30/video- ... s-cyclist/
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Post by scott_e » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:01 am

Doc883 wrote:Road Rage incident on cyclist :shock: Don't you just wish the guy on the bike was a wee bit handy and gave the van driver the lesson of his life :evil: We have a high % of drivers who are also keen cyclists so keen to hear reactions to this kind of incident and how many wear cameras when out and about ?
http://cars.aol.co.uk/2013/04/30/video- ... s-cyclist/
:shock: :shock: :shock: shocked by that to be honest. Never had any problem with drivers in Dundee thankfully although my ride is 60% cycle paths now. Pedestrians shout now and again if you fly past them without much of a warning , my fault I guess. 46 mph tail wind a few weeks ago so you can understand there concern in that case :oops:

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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by Doc883 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:06 am

This is as shocking as the incident itself:
"The video has caused anger in the cycling community, particularly after it emerged that the van driver got away with a slap on the wrist. Under Home Office guidelines he simply had to pay compensation and offer a written apology".
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Post by scott_e » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:12 am

Doc883 wrote:This is as shocking as the incident itself:
"The video has caused anger in the cycling community, particularly after it emerged that the van driver got away with a slap on the wrist. Under Home Office guidelines he simply had to pay compensation and offer a written apology".
Yip that is awful, assault surly, certainly would be if you did that in a pub at the weekend. He hauled him off his bike ! makes my blood boil.

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Post by Dominic » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:34 am

:shock: :shock:

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I have been cycling to work recently, and have to admit, I'm not too keen on mixing with the traffic too much. Unfortunately there are quite a few parts of my commute that require me to go with the traffic. I find myself being very careful, and watching out for other road users being dicks - which happens at least once every journey. As long as I'm ready for it, it's not a problem. Today's was a taxi driver who over took me, then immediately turned left into a side road. He almost had me off my bike. I just have to accept that there are tw4ts out there, and avoid getting involved. Think I might get a helmet cam though! :blackeye
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Post by flyingscot68 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:09 pm

I don't cycle much but as a motorcyclist I understand a lot of the problems for cyclists and always give them room enough to keep them safe.
I do have one issue with cyclists though and that's when they ride two or three abreast. To me this is a dangerous thing to do. I've come round many a bend to find the road blocked by a group or even only two cyclists next to each other rather than nose to tail and only doing 20mph.
What's the legal position for this? Is it legal to do this?
There was a huge queue of traffic in Bo'ness the other week caused by a bunch of cyclists doing exactly this, drivers were getting frustrated and doing some very close overtaking. Some of the cyclists were shouting abuse at them but I felt it was their own fault.
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Post by BiggestNizzy » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:14 pm

Some drivers are dicks, as are some cyclists. is this any different from the cyclist attacking the drvers or kicking their wing mirrors off. I'm sure the standard of SE cycling, like the driving is top notch and nobody mounts the pavement, goes through red lights etc etc. This is however not always the case.

I have seen this between car drivers. It wouldn't be the first time getting out the car to have a word only for the driver to speed off.

You will get the cyclists shouting how it's legal to ride 3 abreast but they are just dicks.
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Post by scott_e » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:16 pm

flyingscot68 wrote:I don't cycle much but as a motorcyclist I understand a lot of the problems for cyclists and always give them room enough to keep them safe.
I do have one issue with cyclists though and that's when they ride two or three abreast. To me this is a dangerous thing to do. I've come round many a bend to find the road blocked by a group or even only two cyclists next to each other rather than nose to tail and only doing 20mph.
What's the legal position for this? Is it legal to do this?
There was a huge queue of traffic in Bo'ness the other week caused by a bunch of cyclists doing exactly this, drivers were getting frustrated and doing some very close overtaking. Some of the cyclists were shouting abuse at them but I felt it was their own fault.
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As a driver I would have been pissed off with that too ! I believe a single cyclist can legally take up a whole lane , they must be treated in the same way as any other traffic. Personally I don't take up a lane and would be pissed off with someone that did but also don't hug the kerb as:

1) you need room to adjust and avoid stuff
2) need to avoid the crap at the edge of the road , little bits of metal , large drain vents that consume wheels !
3) edge of the road can be poorly maintained , we look for smooth surfaces.
4) + always maintain you line is a good rule of thumb ... as much as possible that is.

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Post by rossybee » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:31 pm

scott_e wrote:"sh*t Cyclists Say"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCkuqL9IcM

Made me chuckle :D :D :D

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Post by scott_e » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:17 pm

rossybee wrote:
scott_e wrote:"sh*t Cyclists Say"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCkuqL9IcM

Made me chuckle :D :D :D

"i would totally be a pro if i didnt have to work"
Aussie version :D

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Classic ! :lol:

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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by max1966 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:45 pm

If you look at the highway code;

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You should (as a cyclist)
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never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
not ride close behind another vehicle.....................
be considerate of other road users........................

163 (as a driver)
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give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car

166 (as a driver)
DO NOT overtake if there is any doubt, or where you cannot see far enough ahead to be sure it is safe. For example, when you are approaching

a corner or bend
a hump bridge
the brow of a hill.

167 (as a driver)
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stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left

Personally as an enthusiast cyclist I ride at weekends with a mate. We tend to ride in twos. If and when it is apparent we are holding someone up unnecessarily we will slip back into 1's to let the traffic by on minor roads but where there are two full carriageways we are not inconveniencing someone who has to use the other carriageway to overtake in a safe manor. After all if we were a slow moving vehicle eg a tractor a car would have to be patient if it is not clear to overtake.

Drivers who overtake and turn left immediately have to be the most annoying but the most dangerous are the ones who don't look ahead to assess where they will catch you and then decide at the last minute it isn't safe to pass, or worse dart out and cut back in, they invariably lean on the horn braking wildly. We yell at them and they curse in return, no-one benefits.

Riding in a larger group is another matter. I have done some and anything over 10 riders gets to be a real inconvenience due to the length of the train. I do not think however that there is anything against it in the HC but I understand the frustration it can cause. Then again if each driver plans a safe overtake in a timely fashion it reduces the chance that a queue will form. If you think of say a combine harvester where is the difference, other than the driver will probably move over or be heading into a nearby field.

I'm sure the key is for more drivers to cycle and become aware of the benefits and risks of cycling, equally for cyclists to be considerate. Any riding in groups I have done has been safely, my biggest gripe is when just riding and being barracked for occupying the carriageway I'm entitled to, whether singly or in two's.
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Post by hendeg » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:03 pm

:withstupid
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Post by Gareth » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:58 pm

Any Abz'rs going out evenings or weekends.
Picking it up again....

Gary, your house looks finished (and looks mega)....so lets go!

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Post by hendeg » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:18 pm

Gareth wrote:Any Abz'rs going out evenings or weekends.
Picking it up again....

Gary, your house looks finished (and looks mega)....so lets go!
I'm keen. My bike is still in the bag from the London triathlon in September. I'll need to see if I can remember how to put it back together. Scotty will be up for it as well because he'll need to be looking trim for the wedding of the century. Unless he's like me and just goes for a lifetime engagement.

We've been in the house for a wee while now. Still some garden work to be finished off. Pauline did all the work though so that's no excuse for not getting out.
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Post by Gareth » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:24 pm

hendeg wrote:
Gareth wrote:Any Abz'rs going out evenings or weekends.
Picking it up again....

Gary, your house looks finished (and looks mega)....so lets go!
I'm keen. My bike is still in the bag from the London triathlon in September. I'll need to see if I can remember how to put it back together. Scotty will be up for it as well because he'll need to be looking trim for the wedding of the century. Unless he's like me and just goes for a lifetime engagement.

We've been in the house for a wee while now. Still some garden work to be finished off. Pauline did all the work though so that's no excuse for not getting out.
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