Brexit.

[Scuffers]

Interesting...

have to say I am surprised at your analysys, not saying your wrong, just that I am surprised.

Moving on, now we have Brexit, what effect will that have on the Scottish ind. vote do you think? Way I see it, it makes the jump for independence even more of a jump into the abyss, financially, Scotland cannot go it alone without either the UK or EU pumping money in, and with Brexit, the EU is not going to be in a financial position to do this, even if Scotland can join the Euro (it can't keep the £) it's likely to end up as the next Greece.

I simply can't see how it's in Scotland's interests to go down this route, until it can build an economy that can stand on it's own and stop depending on subsidies, and as I sit here and type this, I just can't see how that's going to happen, Oil's in the toilet right now, and whilst it will bounce back to some extent, long term it's over, and Scotland has nothing to replace it with, the so called Green economy is a subsidy scam, you need a real industry to move in, problem is what can/could that be? it needs to be something real, not paper jobs.

[thinfourth]

Interesting...

have to say I am surprised at your analysys, not saying your wrong, just that I am surprised.

Moving on, now we have Brexit, what effect will that have on the Scottish ind. vote do you think? Way I see it, it makes the jump for independence even more of a jump into the abyss, financially, Scotland cannot go it alone without either the UK or EU pumping money in, and with Brexit, the EU is not going to be in a financial position to do this, even if Scotland can join the Euro (it can't keep the £) it's likely to end up as the next Greece.

I simply can't see how it's in Scotland's interests to go down this route, .

You are making a mistake

You think the SNP have scotlands interest at heart

They don't

They just want to beat those barsteward english tory westminster scum

The SNP would gladly watch Scotland burn if they can rule the ashes

[Stevoraith]

Interesting...

have to say I am surprised at your analysys, not saying your wrong, just that I am surprised.

I think a lot of people have the mentality that they don't want anyone that's 'not from here' telling them what to do so they see independence from the UK and from the EU as a similar argument.

Surely Scottish independence can't get off the ground this time- the economic case for it has been completely blown to pieces.

[rossybee]

Wasn't it always gonna be the case that Sturgeon/SNP would do the "now we have justification for indyref2" regardless of which way the EU ref went?

I suspect many UK residents will be very disgruntled at her insensitivity for stating this literally hours after the result, but hey that's politics.

So why is she so keen to be independent from UK but then become non-independent (dependent? ) again, but with a body who is full of personnel we don't know and therefore didn't vote for?

I think she likes to gloss over the true meaning of democracy, as in "we will keep having a go at this until you agree with what we want"

Bring on the PEP (Propoganda & Empty Promises)

I wonder if her fanny has sharp teeth?

[campbell]

Surely Scottish independence can't get off the ground this time- the economic case for it has been completely blown to pieces.

As Thinfourth says. The SNP have no care for the economic case. They are purely following an ideology for self-contained self-rule. They are too far down the road to backtrack now (I wonder if a few of them have now spotted this but are too feart to come out and admit it). So until the blinkered masses wake up and look for another party to vote for...and until such a party exists...we may as well prepare for another 5 years of economic uncertainty. That's the only certainty that I see.

We won't replace oil in 5 years. So here's a question. What industries (new or existing) can be developed to fill the gap? I'll start...

1. Tourism
2. Renewable energy technology
3. Financial Services
4. Biotech
5. ...

[rossybee]

Whisky

[douglasgdmw]

Would Scotland build a better economy with independence in the EU if the big instituitions move to Scotland rather than Ireland as some of them may be planning to do.

Think Scotlands independence vote will also be determined how "hard line" the negotiations are to move? Does anyone know whether there are minimum provisions in Article 50 as far as exit is concerned or whether its all bets off.

[tut]

"The result would sit easier with me if I felt that 52% of the country had made an informed decision like him.
Unfortunately I think a large proportion voted without understanding what they were really voting for."

I think Steve sums it up perfectly.

tut

[tut]

Quite pleased with the out vote on a selfish level, makes much more interesting viewing from my chair.

Surprises, 70% of youngsters voted in, 70% of oldsters voted out. Non surprise, majority of Working Class voted out, majority of Educated Class(not my words) voted in. Credit Rating just downgraded.

I think Corbyn may resign, then again who would give a fcuk, think that I will now just become a tortoise and imitate Victor.

tut

ps:- "The Now Show" is on Radio 4 at present. Don't miss it.

[thinfourth]

Would Scotland build a better economy with independence in the EU if the big instituitions move to Scotland rather than Ireland as some of them may be planning to do.

Think Scotlands independence vote will also be determined how "hard line" the negotiations are to move? Does anyone know whether there are minimum provisions in Article 50 as far as exit is concerned or whether its all bets off.

I might die laughing if that happens

Scottish independence relying on rich banker tory voting scum being in scotland


I have nothing against the idea of scottish independence

Just i want a plan that does not involve the following

Screaming at biscuits
Calling everyone TORY SCUM who questions anything
The magic money tree
The hated westminster scum being super chummy with scotland and giving us everything we want
All rich people being thrown out of the country while staying to pay 198.4% tax

Give me an intelligent believable plan and i'm happy to accept freedom


But when the NATS carry on with freeDUMMMBBBBBBBB they can swivel

[thinfourth]

We won't replace oil in 5 years. So here's a question. What industries (new or existing) can be developed to fill the gap? I'll start...

1. Tourism
2. Renewable energy technology
3. Financial Services
4. Biotech
5. ...

engineering
engineering
and
engineering

The amount of oil and gas equipment that gets made in scotland is huge

Oil and gas is way more then the black smelly stuff that comes out the ground

Most of the west coast of africa has support from aberdeen

[David]

The outcome may depend on what now happens in the rest of the EU.

I was surprised that the EU markets took a bigger hit than our own, and that might be a clue as to how this pans out. If the EU fragments, (and lets not forget a third of its economy has just voted to leave) the UK could replace Germany in a 'new' European club and the old EU single market could become sidelined. That would make the SNP plans look rather foolish.

That said, I'd rather we had remained.

[Danny T30TUS]

Anyone fancy some Loti discussion?

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[BiggestNizzy]

Hate saying this but I agree with thinforth. Scotland's engineering sector is massive. The jobs are high skill and well paid. Also as a nation we are good at it. Don't buy the German engineering is the best spin. We hold our own. A few years ago we were bought by an company from Oman because we produce low volume high quality parts for oil and gas. We have spent the past 3 years bringing the rest of the group up to speed. Including the Germans.

I feel dirty now.

[Scuffers]

Hate saying this but I agree with thinforth. Scotland's engineering sector is massive. The jobs are high skill and well paid. Also as a nation we are good at it. Don't buy the German engineering is the best spin. We hold our own. A few years ago we were bought by an company from Oman because we produce low volume high quality parts for oil and gas. We have spent the past 3 years bringing the rest of the group up to speed. Including the Germans.

I feel dirty now.

I'm 100% with both of you.

the green economy is no such thing, it's subsidy based sh*t
Tourism is a limited market and only offers low paid ill-secured jobs
Financial Services - we all know where this leads
Biotech - all well and good, but who are you looking at? how do you encourage highly skilled scientists/researchers/chemists and their employers to base themselves in Scotland? (without throwing subsidies at them)

you need proper manufacturing/engineering etc. you need aluminum smelting, Steelworks, Ship building, etc etc etc.

you could do worse than invite Elon to setup a new Tesla car plant there for example....