BA near miss

[pete]

I think that they found the cause straight away, otherwise they would have had to have taken action with the rest of the fleet. If that had happened a few hundred metres earlier, it would have wiped out the aircraft and all the buildings and people in its path

In '81, the S76 that I was flying in the morning lost a main rotor blade in the afternoon. Believe me, no pilot was going to climb back in until we had the all clear on the rest of the aircraft.

BA now has on board telemetry that is relayed instantly back to HQ, ie an active flight data recorder, along with the other three recording systems on the aircraft, which would also have been removed and analysed straight away. However neither they nor the pilots can release this information until the AAIB have their prelimanary findings.

tut

Tut that is so right I work with DS&S who have two applications one is called Corewing that monitors telemetry in the air and sends signals back to ground so that when a plane lands the engineer knows what to look at before the plane is there. If there was an unknown fault the whole fleet would be grounded. The signals dont go to HQ they go to a building in Glasgow of all places Looks like pilot error to me ! Come on Pete spill the beans matey Amazingly Laphroig gets passed all these controls hic

I wish I did have some inside information to make me seem important but the only report I've seen adds very little to the AAIB one.

I doubt it is pilot error somehow though.

[BiggestNizzy]

It would seem a bit off to plaud the pilot as a hero on the friday only to blame him for the whole thing a week later, I also feel the word "hero" a bit strong the crew did their job, what they where there for and they did it well a pat on the back, a wee holiday and a few free rounds at the bar would be more appropriate.

[pete]

It would seem a bit off to plaud the pilot as a hero on the friday only to blame him for the whole thing a week later, I also feel the word "hero" a bit strong the crew did their job, what they where there for and they did it well a pat on the back, a wee holiday and a few free rounds at the bar would be more appropriate.

Kind of agree to be honest, like when the passengers on Ryanair flights applaud when the plane lands, but then it does no harm in this work that people actually get recognition for doing their job well.

[Skyenet]

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Unfortunately between 70 and 80% of Civilian flying accidents are indeed caused by pilot error

tut

If the following statistics are right then that mean an awful big % of military aircraft accidents were due to Pilot error (both the military accidents I was in were due to Pilot error, bloody show offs).

Nearest I came to a civilian air accident (that I am aware of) was about 40 years ago at Aberdeen when a wheel burst during the landing.

Approximately 80 percent of all aviation accidents occur shortly before, after, or during takeoff or landing, and are often described as resulting from 'human error'

An accident survey of 2,147 aircraft accidents from 1950 through 2004 determined the causes to be as follows:
45%: Pilot error
33%: Undetermined or missing in the record
13%: Mechanical failure
7%: Weather
5%: Sabotage (bombs, hijackings, shoot-downs)
4%: Other human error (air traffic controller error, improper loading of aircraft, improper maintenance, fuel contamination, language miscommunication etc.)
1%: Other cause

[Rich H]

Call your nearest RAF base and say:

Under the Freedom of information act I want to know how many air accidents and air incidents have there been since 1950 and what cause categories were they allocated.

There will be thousands and thousands....

[Skyenet]

Call your nearest RAF base and say:

Under the Freedom of information act I want to know how many air accidents and air incidents have there been since 1950 and what cause categories were they allocated.

There will be thousands and thousands....

and I know he isn't joking

[thinfourth]

Call your nearest RAF base and say:

Under the Freedom of information act I want to know how many air accidents and air incidents have there been since 1950 and what cause categories were they allocated.

And have they dropped since Richard left

[Rich H]

Soon to be resumed when I start my new job (fingers crossed....!!!)

I personally submitted hundreds. No I wasn't the cause of (m)any

Most of them will be bollocks, like:

The instrument hit me in the head while manouvering
Panel detached during takeoff
Engine runaway*
Undercarriage failed to function
Birdstrike

Trivia like that.... Most of it will be very, very dull.

*The Tonka F3 had a "quirk" where as if power failed and the engine was running the fuel control unit defaulted to full bore, and the enigne wound up until it exploded as all the governors were electrically controlled... Never happened while I was on the unit, would have been good to see. From a distance. The fix was to bravely run away as the main fuel cocks were electric too so you couldn't even turn them off....

[thinfourth]

*The Tonka F3 had a "quirk" where as if power failed and the engine was running the fuel control unit defaulted to full bore, and the enigne wound up until it exploded as all the governors were electrically controlled... Never happened while I was on the unit, would have been good to see. From a distance. The fix was to bravely run away as the main fuel cocks were electric too so you couldn't even turn them off....

I guess in the manual under what steps to take in this situation it merely states

BIG ONES

[Rich H]

I like that

[fd]

New runway lights for LHR . . .



Some reading reveals that this would not be the first control system anomaly on a 777 that has required pilot intervention to prevent a problem . . . in this case I guess the guys didn't have enough time to solve it . . .

Fd

[kenny]

[tut]

Nice one Fergus........

tut

[Skyenet]

[campbell]

Fergus,

That has to be one of your funniest posts ever. Clearly far too much time on your hands, now get back to work

Campbell