The Scheme

[j2 lot]

The sterlisation thing is utterly shocking. Sounds like a
Nazi policy. The idea that someone addicted to drugs' human rights can be bought for a couple of hundred quid is totally disgusting to me.

It doesn't sit well with me either but what is more disgusting is procreation solely to gain benefits with no consideration to the unborn child , as witnessed by pregnant girls still smoking, and no ability to or intention/ interest in raising supporting or nurturing the child they spawn and an expectation that society will provide for the mother and child.
Sometimes tough choices have to be made and tbh its not that tough a choice - sterilisation and the removal of all benefits that makes childbirth attractive to these people is the lesser of two evils.

[kevham]

I must watch this. Folk in the office were giving me a hard time today 'cause I was born in Killie and grew up on a scheme (although not in the town itself).

[BiggestNizzy]

I must watch this. Folk in the office were giving me a hard time today 'cause I was born in Killie and grew up on a scheme (although not in the town itself).

Where abouts in Killie ? you have no idea the grief I get, I live there (although I am a Hurlford boy)

[kevham]

I must watch this. Folk in the office were giving me a hard time today 'cause I was born in Killie and grew up on a scheme (although not in the town itself).

Where abouts in Killie ? you have no idea the grief I get, I live there (although I am a Hurlford boy)

Nae luck.

Born in Killie but grew up in Galston. So, maybe we went to the same school.........

[andyc]

I am watching this show for the first time tonight. I grew up in a council house/estate.....but I would ike to give the parents, the parents parents etc a f*cking good kick up the arse
Send the wayward kids off on national service to learn some respect, discipline and manners...like I did
Oh wait....our f*cked up country doesn't have national service....f*cking idiot politicians!!

[mwmackenzie]

Wow I just watched this for the first time, real life assault on TV .... I feel for these people and the state of society where folk can get themselves in that mess, the majority were wasted!

[kevham]

I watched it for the first time. Pretty sickening at times but at least I could understand the dialect.
The Knockinlaw scheme has been rough for years - when I was a kid I used to have some mates who lived in Onthank (the neighbouring scheme) - pretty rough itself - and they wouldn't set foot in Knockinlaw.
I think the problem with this kind of TV program is that it presents an image that the whole scheme is full of folk like that but there WILL be some decent, hard working, honest folk in there too. They are the ones I feel sorry for.
Funniest part was the announcement at the end that the rest of the series cannot currently be shown for legal reasons. I wonder why.

[BiggestNizzy]

I must watch this. Folk in the office were giving me a hard time today 'cause I was born in Killie and grew up on a scheme (although not in the town itself).

Where abouts in Killie ? you have no idea the grief I get, I live there (although I am a Hurlford boy)

Nae luck.

Born in Killie but grew up in Galston. So, maybe we went to the same school.........

Loudoun Academy, left in 94 (god I feel old), I used to run about with a few guys from Galston and spent many a night in the snooker club doing my best not to get stabbed

[RDH]

Loudoun Academy, left in 94 (god I feel old), I used to run about with a few guys from Galston and spent many a night in the snooker club doing my best not to get stabbed

I'll not let on my mum was the Head of PE there, d'oh!

[max1966]

This surely paints a terrible picture of 'schemes', the first episode referred to the estate being home to 1000 families, I think. Given that this is a very small, 6 family study, where their activities are interrelated I find it sad that any broad opinions of society should be drawn at all.

I, like so many, was brought up on a council estate (in South Queensferry so hardly Beirut standard) but so many of the families on housing estates go about their business quietly and respectful of others and laws.

This is a terrible impression of 'Scottish' society and I hope it isn't broadcast south of the border, sadly I-player gives it air time which is regrettable.

As for all the questions of sterilisation, whether rewarded or not, it is too complex an issue for me. A break in the cycle of benefit dependency is essential, residential centres to 'help' addicts get clean, backed up with education and real opportunities is key but with government debt/recession it's not likely. Repeat offenders need to serve 'drug free' time but even that seems beyond the prison system.

While watching this type of tv sensationalism I'm grateful for a stable background where I was encouraged to learn and be independent. I feel truly at a loss when watching.

[Stumpy Nugget]

I watched last nights episode and again I was annoyed at the way these people choose to live. I believe that it does not matter where you are or how much money you have you can still live your life better than the way these people are going about it. Like many others I was brought up in a council estate and I have to say that the system is there to get your finger out, get an education, find a job and contribute to society instead of sitting on your butt suckling at the tit of social welfare until you drop dead..

I have to remind myself that this show has focused on a minority representation of this area for show biz reasons and that most people are actually out to make life better for themselves.

[S111Y TT]

I feel sick just reading those comments.

I think the payment for sterilisation is a fantastic idea. I am also of the opinion that people who break the law in serious circumstances should not only serve jail time but also be sterilised by force. By serious crimes I mean child molesters, rapists and murderers. Maybe even a program which also looks at sterilising repeat offenders of other crimes, ie GBH etc.

It is a very complex problem. Drug and alcohol addiction can spout from a single wrong decision, unlike murder rape etc it hurts yourself more than others. However if you then reproduce you are then destroying a life other than your own. So then we are kind of looping back to the forced sterilisation situation, prevent you from destroying someone else's life.

Unfortunately I am extremely unsympathetic for these people. I have friends who I wouldn't even want to see reproduce. On another note, some of my friends who suffered very bad upbringings have had kids already, below the age of 20, and prove to be nurturing loving and work hard to give their child a better life. None of these people do or have used drugs though, I have never seen a drug abuser raise a child properly.

My x girlfriends mother was an alcoholic and was a terrible mother, I would have been scared to have her mother in the same room as Dad because he knew what she was like and I am more than aware about how he feels on this matter. Agreed this is only one instance, but without my parents my X probably would have felt like she had no family then who knows where she would be?

So I am all for bribing them to stop the spread of what I would call a 'disease' however I wouldn't be against forcing sterilisation on certain groups. Wouldn't say it is a short sighted view but I would agree it is an impatient one. If you can't rely on these people to do the very basic things in life, like love and car for their own child why would you think they had the common senses to opt for sterilisation, they would probably just find a way to beat the system and still get the money. Or suddenly decide they are entitled to all these rights that they constantly abuse in others.

Hmm blood is boiling and I have work to do, can't think about this without getting wound up. At least their are still good people out there who come from the worst upbringings possible and better themselves, so long as that is still happens then there is hope.

Also while we are on this subject of kids, half of the little barstewards could easily be sorted if parents could beat their children again! That is coming from someone who's Dad could still hit him if I was naughty enough and wouldn't stay on the naughty step.

Cheers for anyone who could be bothered reading.

Ian

[GregR]

All respect out the window, compounded by the lieing to the fuzz. Hopefully there'll be a little perverting the course of justice charge there.

Just heard from a colleague that the lady in question is now under investigation by the said fuzz.

I wonder how much of what happened did so as a result of the cameras being there.

[ruadh08]

How come if they are all so poor that they permanently have fags sticking out of their gobs at £6 per packet? I think I know the answer to why they all have large flat screen TV's.

[neil]

I'd put money on them not paying £6 a pack for their fags!