Full 2ubular "OEM" system fitted by MMC - Evora S

[C7Steve]

Thanks for the reply Tony.

Also to throw something else into the mix;

Is the ExigeV6 exhaust set up 'exactly' the same as the Evoras? The reason I ask is I remember that some customers with the Evoras were getting one of the cats replaced with a straight through pipe from 2bular.

http://2bular.co.uk/evora-s/evora-s-de-cat-pipe

This was done by some, while others also changed the back box too, albeit the Lotus Sports one with the blue-tinged twin rear pipes.


Steve.

[C7Steve]

Cheers Mike, every days a school day.

Steve.

[tut]

It does not matter what it costs if you find it acceptable, can count it as money well spent, and you are satisfied with the result.

You may decide to spend £4K on something for your car, my equivalent for a result may be £400, but it is an individual decision and we all have different criteria.

tut

[anthonyyule]

Thanks for the reply Tony.

Also to throw something else into the mix;

Is the ExigeV6 exhaust set up 'exactly' the same as the Evoras? The reason I ask is I remember that some customers with the Evoras were getting one of the cats replaced with a straight through pipe from 2bular.

http://2bular.co.uk/evora-s/evora-s-de-cat-pipe

This was done by some, while others also changed the back box too, albeit the Lotus Sports one with the blue-tinged twin rear pipes.


Steve.

Steve, I believe my set up would fit exactly onto the Exige. Some differences for the na but for the S they should be the same.
Mike reminded me of something though.... The system has been designed by Craig and Jim so they you can upgrade each part as you have the budget to do so... But I believe the link pipe which Jim would use would be different depending upon whether you go for the full system or just the back box. I was only going to go for the back box but in the end just thought "sod it"!

Once this weather improves I'll come round past and take you out for a spin.... I know you'll love it!

[T6 KFR]

The Porsche boys wouldn't flinch paying £4,300 for a dealer fit PSE (the switchable exhaust) so not sure why there's such negativity for a hand built, custom fit, manufacturer sanctioned exhaust.

Totally agree... And to be honest I'm surprised and a bit taken aback by some of the comments. Life is too short and as this is now offered as a dealer fit OEM style option I can see a big market for Craig fitting these to brand new V6's before they go off to their new owners.

I'm quite happy to be a special breed too ... Buying into a brand which requires compromise and TLC, ahem...... Maybe it would be easier to be a Porsche Boy after all!

I certainly wasn't being negative with my comments . Work of art and great craftsmanship.

Just out of touch how much things are surely.

It sounds great tony.

[anthonyyule]

Are you still here? - should you not be delivering a baby or something more important!!

Cheers - I think it sounds lovely too - don't think the neighbours agree though! lol

[Simon82]

I'm assuming the price includes everything listed plus the fitting and so in that respect I don't think its that bad a price to be fair considering the time it takes to fit. Only asked how much it was as was curious as I'm looking to fit one to my Exige. As mentioned the price of exhausts for Porsche or even Audi/BMW would bring a tear to a glass eye.....

Great to hear your happy with the end result and it does sound really nice. Good on you for doing it and well done to Saj and Craig/Jim for developing it.

Could I ask for a picture looking straight on to the back of the car to see the tail pipe design?

[anthonyyule]

Simon, yup the price is basically "turnkey" - 1 bill paid to MMC for the full system plus delivery plus fitting snd set up. Nae bad actually.

I'll get a pic next time I'm near the car... The tail pipe looks very similar to standard, maybe a little rounder and its a bit bigger.

[SAJ]

Good point Steve.... Now I read that back.
I believe there is a link pipe joining the 2 manifolds before it goes into the back box.... But yes the big gain is from the decatted manifolds.... A pre cat on each manifold on the standard (and heavy) standard system which have been removed.

I've actually got a 200cell cat as Craig reckons the 100 cell would be marginal for mot time and I've got no interest in spending time changing it out just for the test. Performance drop for the 200cell was deemed negligible from both Jim and Craig for my purposes.

Saj - what's your thoughts on Steves query as I don't think I've answered him properly!

Welcome to the club

Folk don't forget this is a FULL setup so that is decat manifolds, downpipes, 100 cell sports cat and a valved back box. The equivalent setup from Larini is nearly £4000 without fitting so closer to £5000 once fitted so definitely the 2bular is a fair bit cheaper.

Also Jim's system is the only 70mm setup made for the Evora/V6 Exige - everyone else has 60mm setups so the 2bular is the better breathing setup.

For people not wanting to splash the cash in one go or not go all out you can actually do:

1. Backbox
2. Backbox + 100cell cat
3. Backbox + 100cell cat + downpipes
4. Backbox + 100cell cat + downpipes + decat manifold

I love my setup, and I've been working with Jim and Craig for the best part of a year getting it right - that's 4 different backbox designs, 2 downpipes designs and a couple of different cats.

Sorry for my technical ignorance, but I can only see three parts/steps Saj in Tony's two pictures. What's the difference between the down pipes and decat manifold? I thought that picture 1 was the manifold/down pipes i.e. same thing and picture 2 was the 100cell cat with the back box. Is there a 'Y' piece to be added between the two? Can you do the upgrade in the opposite order and would there be an advantage either way?

Also the quality of work on the exhaust looks superb but I would prefer the twin pipes from the back box.

Cheers for the video Tony, I bet that it would sound even better with the roof off in a V6 Exige too.


Steve.

Pictures of the downpipes aren't there, the cat is attached to the backbox in the picture also. The picture posted of the backbox is actually of my system. Anthony has a slightly modified version of mine in that the exit pipe of his splits in two at the tip like a pig snout and mine is a single pipe out of the oval tip. The reason for the change is because the single exit pipe out the tip generates a level of resonance through the car. It isn't drone but more a vibration sensation - this has been eliminated in Anthoy's setup by switching to the twin exit pips into the oval. Also Anthony has the final completed version, mine is technically one of the R&D units.

I'll get pics up to show the difference better.

[Mikie711]

Steve,

link pipe at the top of the photo

[SAJ]

You can click the thumbnails to get bigger pictures.

Cat


Downpipe (version 2 - Jim redesigned which is different from the one Mike had and the first version I had)


Backbox (Saj version)


Downpipe installed


Backbox installed (Saj version)


Backbox installed (Anthony version) notice change from single exit to twin (gets rid of resonance)

[campbell]

The Porsche boys wouldn't flinch paying £4,300 for a dealer fit PSE (the switchable exhaust) so not sure why there's such negativity for a hand built, custom fit, manufacturer sanctioned exhaust.

Porsche mindset is an unknown to many here, Greg.

But reading the detail and seeing the images helps us understand the passion - no arguments there.

[Mikie711]

To be fair if it was me I would wait and see what Lotus have done to get the Evora up to 400bhp after Geneva. May be that it's possible to retro fit to earlier cars because £4k is a lot to pay for some extra noise.

[anthonyyule]

Mike,

Remember thats its only £4K if you are not a spannermonkey..... the system (component parts) themselves are significantly cheaper but I dont have the ability (or time and tools) to fit. At a push I might have been able to do the back box, but I certainly couldnt have installed the manifolds.

It looks like you did the install yourself?.... and I really wish I was skilled like that - I would have prefered the additional cash in my pocket too.... but thats just the joys!

Given the car is brand new I wouldnt have felt comfortable giving it to a local garage either.... so in that respect MMC had me by the short and curlies... but I was happy to hand over the car to Craig for them to work their magic

[SAJ]

Mike,

Remember thats its only £4K if you are not a spannermonkey..... the system (component parts) themselves are significantly cheaper but I dont have the ability (or time and tools) to fit. At a push I might have been able to do the back box, but I certainly couldnt have installed the manifolds.

It looks like you did the install yourself?.... and I really wish I was skilled like that - I would have prefered the additional cash in my pocket too.... but thats just the joys!

Given the car is brand new I wouldnt have felt comfortable giving it to a local garage either.... so in that respect MMC had me by the short and curlies... but I was happy to hand over the car to Craig for them to work their magic

Had you have gone to a local garage they would have taken much longer to fit the exhaust. Gary (MMC) has had a lot of practice and knows the knack of fitting the system to the car. Other places have taken much longer to fit the system to the car, I think Lotus Silverstone took 2 days to fit just the manifolds on the Evora S - no idea why though.