KH lap times

mac · Post by **mac** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:10 pm

Gareth wrote:We should all go back to Chapmans law of lightness.
If some of you say you have no intention in going faster...why all the engine upgrades. Quickest Elise now a Honda with Super dooper charger with 300bhp+. Where does it end? 2 years time do we have Elises with 400+?

I say we all jump back to S1s with 120bhp K series.

Who said anything about not wanting to go faster!

That's the name of the game - I'm just saying that until your allowed profesional timing equipment then the best way is to go faster is by the method I described earlier.

Mac

dlogan · Post by **dlogan** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:12 pm

BigD wrote:
alicrozier wrote:Around 58s in Thinfourths shed racer...

If you want lap times get a Caterham...or a Radical...
And if you don't have a trailer/tow vehicle, want to carry spare wheels, tools and a passenger or 2 then get an Evo.

Neh, just need to remove the brain.
I drive my aeroscreened Caterham from Aberdeen to Knockhill each time, no trailer, no spare wheels, basic tools. Drive on road tyres and drive home every time.

Stoopid but great fun.

rossybee · Post by **rossybee** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:16 pm

dlogan wrote:
BigD wrote:
alicrozier wrote:Around 58s in Thinfourths shed racer...

If you want lap times get a Caterham...or a Radical...
And if you don't have a trailer/tow vehicle, want to carry spare wheels, tools and a passenger or 2 then get an Evo.

Neh, just need to remove the brain.
I drive my aeroscreened Caterham from Aberdeen to Knockhill each time, no trailer, no spare wheels, basic tools. Drive on road tyres and drive home every time.

Stoopid but great fun.

Ditto but Dundee (apart from the one time I trailered, and it was more hassle than it was worth...

)

My times?

Not sure, somewhere in the high 50s (low 50s if I take the shortcut shown in the gallery section

) - but then I go for sideways fun more than top times

Gareth · Post by **Gareth** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:27 pm

Just so im not misunderstood.
I only noticed my laps times by the few laps I had recorded. At no time am I thinking about about times when on track. Just wondered what an acceptable time was in the dry.

For me, I enjoy having laps (chasing/leading laps) against Si. I know how he drives and what tracking behaviour he's likely to have. You may notice in the vid of me in the gallery I pass a green scooby...I loose him in the mirrors and therefore have to run wide slipping on the wet side of the track. I didn't know if the scooby gave me room but I know if it was Si behind me he would of let off and given me room to take the 'racing line'...well I hope anyway

That's not to say I don't want to get faster and faster but I will draw the line of driving beyond my capabilities. I still brake way to early for duffus and hairpin for fear of running out of track.

BigD · Post by **BigD** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:38 pm

rossybee wrote:
dlogan wrote:
BigD wrote: And if you don't have a trailer/tow vehicle, want to carry spare wheels, tools and a passenger or 2 then get an Evo.

Neh, just need to remove the brain.
I drive my aeroscreened Caterham from Aberdeen to Knockhill each time, no trailer, no spare wheels, basic tools. Drive on road tyres and drive home every time.

Stoopid but great fun.
Ditto but Dundee (apart from the one time I trailered, and it was more hassle than it was worth... )

My times?

Not sure, somewhere in the high 50s (low 50s if I take the shortcut shown in the gallery section ) - but then I go for sideways fun more than top times

And what about trips to the far North of Scotland or to Europe for a blast? Would you drive then?

Scotty C · Post by **Scotty C** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:49 pm

I did the ring and Spa last year in the 340r.

Ok so Paul G had his trailer with my spare wheels and tools.

Scotty C

dlogan · Post by **dlogan** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:11 pm

BigD wrote:
rossybee wrote:
dlogan wrote: Neh, just need to remove the brain.
I drive my aeroscreened Caterham from Aberdeen to Knockhill each time, no trailer, no spare wheels, basic tools. Drive on road tyres and drive home every time.

Stoopid but great fun.
Ditto but Dundee (apart from the one time I trailered, and it was more hassle than it was worth... )

My times?

Not sure, somewhere in the high 50s (low 50s if I take the shortcut shown in the gallery section ) - but then I go for sideways fun more than top times
And what about trips to the far North of Scotland or to Europe for a blast? Would you drive then?

The Caterham - Me and Mr Bee drove ours to Lemans last year aero'd, in the rain.

BigD · Post by **BigD** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:26 pm

Fair enough.

I've got a few trips planned this year and like the ability to eat crisps, smoke a fag, drink juice and listen to music without having to stop.

If I want the open top effect I'll take the bike. Then I need to stop every hour just to stop the pain in my legs and fill up with petrol.

Post by ed » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:35 pm

Then I need to stop every hour and fill up with petrol.

Aint that the same as the evo though?!

BigD · Post by **BigD** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:47 pm

ed wrote:
Then I need to stop every hour and fill up with petrol.
Aint that the same as the evo though?!

I set that one up for you.

250 miles out the Evo on a tank now on motorway mode.

Drifted off topic a tad, sorry.

Clarkie · Post by **Clarkie** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:51 pm

alicrozier wrote:Steve,
You should have no problems being on cam in the dry, gears are probably just the same as your old car:
2nd for the hairpin, up to 3rd and 4th on the pit straight.
3rd for Duffus right through to the exit of Clarks, up to 4th on the railway straight.

If you're fast enough through the chicane you'll be just nudging the limiter in 3rd (90mph) before braking for Clarks...

In the wet you can be off cam through Clarks and the hairpin but should come on cam just at the exit of both (in 3rd and 2nd respectively).

IMO lap times can be pretty meaningless at KH as the particular track layout that day will make a huge difference. Cone or 'tyre barrier' placement at the chicane for example could easily make 1-1.5 secs difference...

Are you guys on the cam down duffus and then again to the chicane? What's the best technique/entry speed for the chicane to carry speed up to Clarks?

mckeann · Post by **mckeann** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:25 pm

Clarkie wrote:
alicrozier wrote: IMO lap times can be pretty meaningless at KH as the particular track layout that day will make a huge difference. Cone or 'tyre barrier' placement at the chicane for example could easily make 1-1.5 secs difference...
Are you guys on the cam down duffus and then again to the chicane? What's the best technique/entry speed for the chicane to carry speed up to Clarks?

As Ali says, the chicane is a lottery as to what the layout is. If theres no cones there, you can take massive amounts of both kerbs and keep the speed up. There are 2 entry's to the chicane. The one i see most people using is to keep to the middle after butchers, and swing in from the centre of the track. The one i use, is to carry more speed through butchers, end up near the left of the track, and just launch it through the chicane. I think thats the quickest way.

You should be on cam through duffus in a 111R

Gareth · Post by **Gareth** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:31 pm

Never liked taking to much kerb at the chicane for fear of slipping. Car is usually quite 'flighty' over the top. You will be in 3rd over there and up to the next corner so should be on 2nd cam.

Post by ed » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:37 pm

If its dry i use alot of curb, if its wet i stay well away!

kenny · Post by **kenny** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:38 pm

When the cone was removed from the left hand kerb on Sat I could manage with only a lift off the throttle through the chicane (all four wheels on the kerb/grasscrete stuff

) wasn't quite managing Butchers flat though so my approach would have been a bit slower than normal completely dry speeds.

Always off cam in Mcintyres in third gear, what gear/speed does every one else carry through there?