A new low.....

[scottishselise]

and take the points, accept it and enjoy your Christmas. Life is too short.

[tut]

Leaving every thing else aside, if one of us had been driving a car and been stopped for having a dirty windscreen in those conditions, and this weather, I would have been ashamed of them if they just rolled over and accepted it.

As I said earlier, most of the time you put your hands up and accept it, in this instance no way, and that is the opinion of four police friends, appeal against the ticket, give your reasons, and the PF would almost certainly throw it out as a waste of his time.

Why the hell sit back and accept three points without a fight when you think they were awarded wrongly, especially as another three loses you your licence? Campbell was recently accused for having no spine, I hope that was jocular, as I am pretty sure that he for one would not have rolled over in this case.

tut

[j2 lot]

[scottishselise]

Tut, I wish your friend best of luck with the legal battle.

Who accused Campbell of being spineless?

[Shug]

Who accused Campbell of being spineless?

Eh? - tut, you realise you're talking about a bit of banter when Campbell was talking nonsense, right? Nobody was accusing anybody of anything FFS...

[tut]

Apologies if I read it wrongly, it looked as if it was intentional in the context of the posts.

tut

[Scotty C]

I really dont think that the cops would have turned round and came after you if it wasnt that bad and IF you didn't see them maybe if your windscreen was clean it would have helped

[scottishselise]

Nothing like a wee stir up!

[ClarkyBoy]

I really dont think that the cops would have turned round and came after you if it wasnt that bad and IF you didn't see them maybe if your windscreen was clean it would have helped

[rossybee]

Best advice in that situation is just to take your medicine, eat all the humble pie you can and make sure you're very polite, without being patronising.

and take the points, accept it and enjoy your Christmas. Life is too short.

[BiggestNizzy]

3 points is a hard thing for a young driver to take, it's half way to a ban, for us older motorists we can generally take the 3 points and forget about it as a minor inconveniance, so from my perspective taking it and forgetting about it would be the best option.

However if you have have been wronged and you can get legal aid/afford it take it to court, an apprentice at work did it when he got stopped for using his phone (he wasn't). it cost him a few hundred quid the cops who stopped him told 2 different stories in court which annoyed the judge and he got off, and got to keep his licence.

I am not going to say do one thing or the other especially as I wasn't there at the time.

[campbell]

Who accused Campbell of being spineless?

Eh? - tut, you realise you're talking about a bit of banter when Campbell was talking nonsense, right? Nobody was accusing anybody of anything FFS...

It was banter, but I'd like to put a case for the defence that I wasn't talking nonsense...it was this thread, m'lud.

Anyway, haven't posted for a while so be gentle this is my "first day back" after a week's cold turkey

I think the lads have been unlucky. They must ask themselves very, very honestly...did anything else happen in advance of being "pulled" that might have attracted attention from the police? If not...then I would be making a complaint. If yes...then I'd try to be grown up about it, take my medicine, and learn.

After all, whether they like it or not, "young lads" will automatically come in for extra scrutiny from the police, any slightest opportunity will be used to "have a word", and as a result you do just have to be squeaky clean (sorry) until you look as old as me then they will stop bothering you

The other big lesson in here, touched on by Tut actually, is humility and avoiding back-chat. Particularly even when you feel it's to support a friend. Some may call that spineless. I just call it knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

Young drivers are just 2 strikes away from a ban, whereas older (sadly though, not necessarily more experienced) drivers are generally 4. This should incentivise the "youngsters" to be doubly careful while they rack up their flying hours, and then everyone's a winner.

Merry Christmas everybody.

Campbell

[robin]

No way.

The belief that it's OK for young drivers to be had up on trumped up charges, even if maybe there was some background to it that hasn't been reported, is wrong. The discretion of a traffic officer is pointless if used to discriminate against social groups they disapprove of.

What's worse is that there is no proper standard of evidence required for such a charge. I know of other circumstances where a young driver was done for having tinted windows. OK, that was bollocks too, but the police had a meter that was used to measure the opacity of the window, and it failed, so he was done. Stupid charge, but at least a proper standard of evidence required - fair cop, but all respect lost.

If this had happened to me, I would without doubt be contesting the charge and I would be willing to go all the way to court to have the officers justify their actions, even if I ultimately lost because it's their word against mine that I could see through the screen.

Of course if you commit an offence and get caught, fine, you should take it on the chin and don't be a smart arse.

Cheers,
Robin

[campbell]

Erm. "No way"? To what? I think we are agreeing here, are we not!

Have just re-read my own post and can't fathom this one, sorry

[robin]

They must ask themselves very, very honestly...did anything else happen in advance of being "pulled" that might have attracted attention from the police? If not...then I would be making a complaint. If yes...then I'd try to be grown up about it, take my medicine, and learn.

The implication being that if they did something questionable earlier, somehow they should be content with being charged with this nonsense instead.

After all, whether they like it or not, "young lads" will automatically come in for extra scrutiny from the police, any slightest opportunity will be used to "have a word", and as a result you do just have to be squeaky clean (sorry) until you look as old as me then they will stop bothering you

Why? This is just a broken concept. Traffic officers should pull over drivers that are behaving badly on the roads, young, old or otherwise, have a word and, when appropriate, charge them.

Just my opinion

Cheers,
Robin