Trump

[Kelvin]

His whole campaign was based on the fact that the existing system is corrupt, career politician are self serving and the elite in office aren't representing their country.

Based on that i'd expect everyone he appoints to be new to politics and not part of said elite. Giuliani? not sure he fits that bill for one.

well, that's a bit simplistic..

1) he never said *all* politicians are corrupt and bought/paid for
2) ignoring (1) just how do you propose he go forward not dealing with the senate and congress?

to use your example, please just how is Rudy Giuliani one of the swamp dwellers? - he's never been a Senator or Congressman.

Draining the swamp? What a joke that is. He's just filling the swamp with a different set of monsters and Giuliani will be neck deep in it. Trump is already blurring the line between the office of President and his business interests and this will run right through his presidency because he won't be able to help himself.


http://www.salon.com/2016/11/16/secreta ... d-america/

[Scuffers]

Draining the swamp? What a joke that is. He's just filling the swamp with a different set of monsters and Giuliani will be neck deep in it. Trump is already blurring the line between the office of President and his business interests and this will run right through his presidency because he won't be able to help himself.


http://www.salon.com/2016/11/16/secreta ... d-america/

really?

Please at least try to explain your stance?

(and that link is to a pretty predictable hit-piece, I'm sure if you look at the client list for any high profile US law firm there will be some you might not like).

As for the slur over his personal business interests, did you just read that of the front page of the usual MSM?

1/10

[woody]

Quell surprise

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/ ... he-nation/

Not pursuing Clington for the good of the nation. Didn't see that coming.

[woody]

Draining the swamp? What a joke that is. He's just filling the swamp with a different set of monsters and Giuliani will be neck deep in it. Trump is already blurring the line between the office of President and his business interests and this will run right through his presidency because he won't be able to help himself.


http://www.salon.com/2016/11/16/secreta ... d-america/

really?

Please at least try to explain your stance?

(and that link is to a pretty predictable hit-piece, I'm sure if you look at the client list for any high profile US law firm there will be some you might not like).

As for the slur over his personal business interests, did you just read that of the front page of the usual MSM?

1/10

Versus your rigourous reference to quality sources?

This for example

[Kelvin]

Draining the swamp? What a joke that is. He's just filling the swamp with a different set of monsters and Giuliani will be neck deep in it. Trump is already blurring the line between the office of President and his business interests and this will run right through his presidency because he won't be able to help himself.


http://www.salon.com/2016/11/16/secreta ... d-america/

really?

Please at least try to explain your stance?

(and that link is to a pretty predictable hit-piece, I'm sure if you look at the client list for any high profile US law firm there will be some you might not like).

As for the slur over his personal business interests, did you just read that of the front page of the usual MSM?

1/10

Yes Really. That's why I said it.

Look through the list of people that are being lined up for his cabinet and then do a little bit of research on them, which businesses they have been connected with and the lobbying they have done and then consider the roles they are being considered for or have been put forward for. Report back when you've done it.

Giuliani was already touched with scandal from his time as Mayor and the misappropriation of funds in public office while cheating on his wife let alone his hypocritical stance on Clinton. In fact, if you do a little reading on that you'll quickly discover what a small minded horrible little cnut he is.

Slur lol ok Kellyanne. As for the blurred lines. It's being widely reported from several quarters. His family are on the transition team and his daughter has attended meetings with him or joined calls that are Government business. And it's what, barely three weeks since the election. The presidents office is of the people, for the people, by the people. Nepotism has no place in the White House. Watch how all this unfolds over the next four years. I'll tell you what, I'm so confident that Trump will really blur the lines between his presidency and his business that, if he comes through the next four years with a clean bill of health and no evidence of blurring the lines, I'll donate £500 to your favourite charity. You don't even have to reciprocate wager if I'm right. That's how sure I am. I'll let Trump off with what's happened so far as he isn't president yet.

As for Trump. It beggars belief really some of the sh*t he tweets and rages against and the things he never mentions baring in mind his promise to preside for all America. He raged at the cast of Hamilton demanding an apology for their not unreasonable commentary to Pence at the end of one of their shows ostensibly reminding him of the promise made during the campaign. It's a country of free speech and they are well within their constitutional rights to say something. It was done in a polite and respectful way. Despite that, Trump, their president elect, leader of the 'free world', most powerful man on the planet takes the time to rail against them on Twitter accusing the cast of 'harassing' Pence. Really, harassment. A few days later the alt-right held a celebration rally for a few hundred people in Washington (not far from The Whitehouse) Trump's win has validated their viewpoint and brought them more into the open. Their leader (Richard B. Spencer search on twitter for him) ended their conference with a hate filled white supremacist polemic filled with neo-Nazi propaganda catch phrases and slogans and his followers lapped it up. Where is Trump's twitter comment on this? Where is his 'not nice' or 'nasty people' comment he trots out on every other tweet? Which in and of itself is fcuk ing pathetic.

BTW there's a birther rumour going around about The Donald. Born in Pakistan. Orphaned after an accident. Flown to America and adopted by the Trump family. People are saying it. I dunno, but they are saying it. I'm not saying it though. I'm not a conspiracy person. But lots of folks are reading that and thinking, well there might be something in that. We should look into that as a lot of people are saying it.

Back to you.

[Kelvin]

So it seems that Trump has finally distanced himself from the alt-right group. Haven't seen any 'nasty guys' tweets but it's being reported now on the BBC. It's about time and it's something he has to stay on top of to take the wind out of their sails.

[Scuffers]

Versus your rigourous reference to quality sources?

This for example

yup, they fabricated the picture (and all the others of the same event)

the campaign contribution is also on record.

try again.

[Kelvin]

This is a comprehensive article that explains the problem the Trump presidency faces with conflict of interest and potential scandal. To take any other position on this is naive at best.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... nal-crisis

Unless there is significant change I'd say my £500 is pretty safe.

[Scuffers]

This is a comprehensive article that explains the problem the Trump presidency faces with conflict of interest and potential scandal. To take any other position on this is naive at best.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... nal-crisis

Unless there is significant change I'd say my £500 is pretty safe.

really?

leaving aside your quoting the grauniad, please explain how this is any worse than every other candidate over the last 20+ years?

would you be saying the same thing if Clinton had won re: the Clinton foundation (that is pretty clearly a vehicle for bribes/influence)

[Kelvin]

Yes, really, that's why I said it. In future save yourself some typing. When I post something I 'really' mean it.

The article is balanced and offers little in the way of editorial opinion more the opinion of others' in the know on US constitutional ethics. It's a summation of the current situation which is unique as no president has had such broad ranging business interests across so many countries.

Trump's behaviour so far is a cause for genuine concern among the folk that believe the constitution means something in terms of the president enriching himself 'while in office'. If you can offer a parallel comparison from the last 20 years then post up the facts. It's evidently potentially far worse than any previous president. He's not taken office yet so this is all supposition based on the things he is doing and saying at the moment and some of his behaviour from the past. According to him he can run his business 'perfectly' and run the country 'perfectly'. Frankly he just can't unless he thinks being President is a part time job.

As far as Clinton goes. You're making an assumption that my negative view of Trump means I have a positive view of Clinton which is odd given I've not mentioned her. Clinton was as poor a choice of presidential candidate as Trump was. And yes, had the facts supported the conflict of interest with the Clinton Foundation then I would be saying the same thing.

[Scuffers]

not suggesting you love Clinton, just making the point that both of them have played the system for the last 20+ years.

they were (relative) pawpers when Bill started his political career, they are now millionaires, just where did the money come from?

closer to home, we have the example, of the Blair's...

Trump is in a bit of a different position, he's already a billionaire, and being blunt, the idea he can 'sell off' all his assets is simply laughable.

I do appreciate his whole term is going to be open season for the moronic US press and the democrats, I just hope he can simply ignore them.

Personally, the more I see of Trump, the more time I have for him, his first 100 days is shaping up to be some ride!

[Kelvin]

It's irrelevant in terms of the presidency what they have done after leaving office. Clinton was Secretary of State of course so if a crime has been committed then it should be investigated and not on the whim of Trump. He doesn't run the FBI. In any event folk like Bill Clinton get paid a huge amount of money just for turning up to speak. Even Trump has earned big sums for doing this.

The US constitution is clear in that you cannot make personal gain while you're in office. The President's primary function it to put the American people first. Based on what Trump has said so far then he either doesn't understand this it is consciously ignoring it. Either way it will dog his presidency. Selling off his assets might be laughable but there are means to achieve at least some semblance of impartiality. Moving all of it to the control of his children and not having them involved in the presidency would have been a start. Trying to argue he can do both is what's laughable.

I read his on the record interview with the NYT. Rambling incoherent answers contradicting previous positions. My only conclusion is that he is old school sales and just says what he thinks the audience wants to hear but doesn't mean a word of what he says.

[Scuffers]

I read his on the record interview with the NYT. Rambling incoherent answers contradicting previous positions. My only conclusion is that he is old school sales and just says what he thinks the audience wants to hear but doesn't mean a word of what he says.

I think you need to actually watch the video of the NYT interview, the printed report is somewhat different.

Also, Trump has not given any job/position to any of his family? so not sure what your trying to get at?

He has already handed over the management to them, really not sure what else you expect him to do? he's not even taking a salary (well, $1).

[Kelvin]

I did watch the video. I also read the word for word transcript of what he said. In what way is it somewhat different? Hence my comment.

His family are taking part in the transition team and therefore are influencing the outcomes. His daughter has attended meetings and been on calls with some of the World leaders he's spoken too. So clearly involved in the presidency. I didn't say they had jobs.

His salary is irrelevant other than so he can say he's being paid a dollar which he'll be sure to tell everyone. A better position to have taken would have been 'I'm going to take no income of any kind from my business but will take the presidential salary' or better still do both. He's already said he doesn't need any more money. That said, this is from a man that said the money he had is a way of keeping score so the money does matter to him.

[Scuffers]

His family are taking part in the transition team and therefore are influencing the outcomes. His daughter has attended meetings and been on calls with some of the World leaders he's spoken too. So clearly involved in the presidency. I didn't say they had jobs.

you do realise he is not president yet?

come 20th Jan, the transition team is gone...