Upon reflection

[Edin430]

respect my authoirta!

[jen]

Glad you had a good time Chris! sorry if I yapped too much from Braemar to Pitlochry! That's what happens when you are the only one to keep your roof on on a cold day-you end up with me jibbering away next to you!!

Jen

[Gareth]

I hate to be the one to point out the obvious but he wasn't on the road run when the accident happened. The run had finished, everyone had split up and he was heading home. It could (and probably will be) argued that he was still on the run but if you take that POV then supposing we had all been on some planned event, KH or flight museum trip as an example, and he had his accident returning from them would that mean that all organized outings should be stooped also?

Further, what constitutes a road run. They way I see it if 2 or more people meet up and have a common destination that is a road run in a nut shell. The big question is how you get there. Of course your going to have cars with differing performance as well as drives with different ability's but I maintain that it is the drivers responsibility for his/her vehicle.

A slight technicality don't you think??
You can dress it up how you will but it was a organised road run. The thing is, once upon a time when I was on a SE road run, 6 brightly coloured plastic pigs travelling past a group of pensioners visiting Balmoral castle. The speed difference with the addition of 6 Larini (or equivalent) exhausts gives the impression of extra speed. Certain pensioners think we're racing and note our reg numbers. Next day most of us end up with PC Plod on the door step questioning us for racing.

For example, see this pic from a few years ago....I'm the orange wasp at the back...

[Mikie711]

Not really a technicality Gareth. Everybody is going on about runs being dangerous when in fact he had done the run without incident and was almost home. Kev could just as well been coming back from getting a pint of milk. Would we then be saying you shouldn't go out for milk in one of these cars.
He wasn't on the organised bit when it happened, same as if it happened on the way to meeting up. I just think this whole thread is turning into an indirect finger pointing exercise which seems to be a recurring trate on SE these days.

[Gourlay83]

Gareths right,

I passed a jogger, slowed down to 40 MPH moved over and gave him a friendly wave. Guy called me a wanker, gave me the V's and told me to slow down. Another important thing on a run for me is to respect other road users, leave plenty of room and overtake one at a time when there is clear road. When me and Mike were out yesterday I was gettimg friemdly waves back, so it can be done.

Alan

[tut]

There is as usual a load of bollocks being talked especially by those that were not there, but like flapping their gums, and have no effing idea about the run itself, in which there were no problems in bad conditions, or the accident itself where I was the only one who saw it happen.

And it was as simple as that, a car going off the road on a bend for what ever reason, nobody else involved, and nothing to do with a group run. I did it on my own, so did three other Elise friends within five miles of me, many on here, and ten times that number who only just got away with it.

So stop pointing blame when it does not come into it.

tut

[Gareth]

I guess you're referring to me Tut!

[alicrozier]

Unrelated to Kevs accident but more a comment on the whole run debate...in general I think there are a few things to consider (probably all in the 'run wiki').

I lead off the run on Sunday for a few miles and those following (I think Mike was directly behind) would probably have noted a few things in my driving:
Appropriate speed in villages 30/40 limits (sometimes well below the limit).
Courteous overtaking, don't race up behind people or cut in. Give them a chance to see you are there.
Slowing down when traffic coming the other direction.
Slow right down for pedestrians etc (you'll have noticed the couple with pushchair?), give a wave.
Usually well within the car, conditions and visibility limits, only pushing on when it's clear.

I've done thousands of miles on runs and drive to what I consider a safe risk level and as 'low profile' as possible.
It's all about perception and joe public may have a different idea of what is acceptable from us. Try not to annoy the Muggles...

The bigger the group the more attention it draws and the slower you need to go. IMO fast runs are best on your own or with the 'right' people you know and trust - 2 or 3 cars max.

[GBOBM]

I lead off the run on Sunday for a few miles and those following (I think Mike was directly behind) would probably have noted a few things in my driving:
Appropriate speed in villages 30/40 limits (sometimes well below the limit).
Courteous overtaking, don't race up behind people or cut in. Give them a chance to see you are there.
Slowing down when traffic coming the other direction.
Slow right down for pedestrians etc (you'll have noticed the couple with pushchair?), give a wave.
Usually well within the car, conditions and visibility limits, only pushing on when it's clear.

That's how it should be done!

Also, driving slowly through towns gives the great unwashed a chance to admire the plastic on show!

[tut]

Twas not aimed at anybody other than general Gareth, but opinions are one thing, and anybody who has strong views about road runs should have started a separate thread. This one was started by Kevin who feels bad enough anyway. He does not know what happened or caused the car to go at that point, neither do I and I had just driven around the bend and saw him go off.

I reiterate that it was not on a road run as we class them, it was two cars driving home after the finish. He simply had an accident.

tut

[r10crw]

That pic brings back memories G What a brilliant day that was.
Ali well put, I hate all this scaremongering.

[tut]

Only thanks to me though Craig that you were not in that police queue.



tut

[Gareth]

Yup, a nice day ruined by the plod. 3 hrs I waited there....only to hear Tut hammer past the other side of the bridge and watching the copper get twitchy. A look in his face of...do I take off after him or stick with these boys...

A painful/expensive experience for Thinny is I remember rightly!

[CSK_423]

Sorry to hear you crashed and I'm glad you're OK but for risk of being flamed...

This is not the 1st or 2nd time there's been a SE run crash. I'll eat my words if it's proven to be mechanical but it's a recurring theme of not driving to the road conditions. I was driving over probably the same roads as the Sunday run. Roads were very wet...then dry...then wet mud/snow/ice. Having been on many SE road runs in the past (but not for some time and probably will never again) i know what they're all about. Yes there's no pressure for anyone to do a "100 Tuts" but you get carried away.

Want to go fast...go on track where it's a whole lot safer with less things to hit and lower risk of things going very wrong or even fatal.

As for Lotus cars not being safe I disagree. Tut, Robin, Scotty have proven that theory wrong with some big impacts.

I thought you would have finished this off with "ps I have a replacement Elise for you if you're interested"

[alicrozier]

Only thanks to us and a moble phone tut that you both were not part of the fun (my car with the boot open, Scotty in front with the 340R).
I was speaking to the cops when you headed off the other side of the bridge (they had their back to you). Quote as you went briskly through the gears...'effing bikers!'. I agreed with a straight face...then tried to divert attention from my radar jammer...oh yes that's part of the alarm system....

Remember when the yellow Boxter drove by? I waved hello furiously and said, 'Hi John!' so they'd think he was part of the group and get pulled too.

I also got a quizical look from the girl at the desk when I produced my documents 45 mins later...at Bucksburn...