Independence SE Poll

[Scuffers]

anybody want to guess at just how much the 16-18 year olds voting pushed the results?

for me, this is the best demonstration yet that the voting age should not be lowered, listening to the ones interviewed over the last few weeks really has demonstrated just how gullible and think our students are.

watching the TV this morning, the only person that seem to have grasped the issues this has brought up is Farage calling for a full/proper constitutional debate, not some fudge done in a hurry.

[Scotty C]

Voting should be law. Too many died earning us the right.

to many died trying to keep us independent.

[BiggestNizzy]

anybody want to guess at just how much the 16-18 year olds voting pushed the results?

for me, this is the best demonstration yet that the voting age should not be lowered, listening to the ones interviewed over the last few weeks really has demonstrated just how gullible and think our students are.

watching the TV this morning, the only person that seem to have grasped the issues this has brought up is Farage calling for a full/proper constitutional debate, not some fudge done in a hurry.

90% or 16 and 17 year olds, I think it's one of the plus points.

remember in your view everyone who disagree's with point of view is an ignorant and stupid. I bet I could find a few people who think the same about you.

[Scuffers]

anybody want to guess at just how much the 16-18 year olds voting pushed the results?

for me, this is the best demonstration yet that the voting age should not be lowered, listening to the ones interviewed over the last few weeks really has demonstrated just how gullible and think our students are.

watching the TV this morning, the only person that seem to have grasped the issues this has brought up is Farage calling for a full/proper constitutional debate, not some fudge done in a hurry.

90% or 16 and 17 year olds, I think it's one of the plus points.

remember in your view everyone who disagree's with point of view is an ignorant and stupid. I bet I could find a few people who think the same about you.

not sure I understand you?

my point on students is from listening to them on radio and tv over the last few weeks.

I think in the 100+ that have had a voice, only 2 actually showed they understood what they were talking about.

one that stands out was the student from Edinburgh uni going on about how all the money from their green energy would make them rich - totally missing the point that green energy actually costs money in subsidies and where do you think that comes from?

another sensible one brought up the issue of the financial flight if there's a YES vote, the others just failed to understand what that actually meant, so just shouted him down.

[tut]

If it had been decided by Constituency results, it would have been 28 to 4.

tut

[Lazydonkey]

For every 16 year old voting yes or no for a stupid reason there were just as many voting after a large amount of research and intelligence.

There was a programme where 16 year olds grilled MSPs and MPs and they did a better job that many in my age range.

[rossybee]

Read someplace that the 16-17yr olds only accounted for 100,000 (give or take a few thou) so less of an influence than I admit to initially being concerned about.

I do believe they should not have been given the entitlement.

[rossybee]

<cough>

....55% No / 45% Yup

[scott_e]

If it had been decided by Constituency results, it would have been 28 to 4. tut

Which is exactly why prepositional representation is important IMO.

[robin]

You have to be very lazy or just not interested to not vote in any election/referendum. Robin

I think that is a bit of a sweeping generalisation to be honest sorry Robin. Everyone should utilise there right to vote of course but there are a host of reasons this can be difficult and time consuming for people. The easier you make it the more you negate reasons not to mark that box and we move even closer to a democratic decision. Politics are not exactly known for motivating the electorate to vote in every election.

You are missing my point. There are a tiny number of people for whom voting is a real effort using the existing postal vote or polling station methods. Despite this I suspect that remote/rural communities often have a better turnout than the cities.

So, for the vast majority of non voters it is lack of interest that causes them to not vote, not lack of access to voting technology. That's all I was saying. Not sure why that is a sweeping generalization.

Cheers,
Robin

[scott_e]

You have to be very lazy or just not interested to not vote in any election/referendum. Robin

I think that is a bit of a sweeping generalisation to be honest sorry Robin. Everyone should utilise there right to vote of course but there are a host of reasons this can be difficult and time consuming for people. The easier you make it the more you negate reasons not to mark that box and we move even closer to a democratic decision. Politics are not exactly known for motivating the electorate to vote in every election.

You are missing my point. There are a tiny number of people for whom voting is a real effort using the existing postal vote or polling station methods. Despite this I suspect that remote/rural communities often have a better turnout than the cities.

So, for the vast majority of non voters it is lack of interest that causes them to not vote, not lack of access to voting technology. That's all I was saying. Not sure why that is a sweeping generalization.

Cheers,
Robin

I think I did miss your point sorry Robin . I guess was I was attempting to articulate was that technology would reduce these instances of non-voters by X percent and that reason alone IMO is good enough to implement it as a means.

[Lazydonkey]

But at what cost? I'm with robin, if people can't be arsed attending a primary school down the road or mailing in a postal vote then having an iphone app isn't going to improve things much.

[campbell]

The overall process of casting a vote involves an amount of interest, engagement and research chosen by each individual voter. I think it's this aspect which holds people back, or creates apathy, or whatever. Not the physical method by which the vote is cast.

If one chooses not to engage when offered a precious vote, that's an individual choice and itself a feature of the liberty hard-fought for by many previous generations in our country. At the very least, one could cast a random vote. Or at the very most, conduct weeks of detailed research and analysis to reach a considered view before marking the box. It's up to you. Welcome to democracy.

Lisa and I have been postal voters since we once missed an election due to pressure of work travel commitments or similar (long time ago now, so can't actually remember which one). Has made it simplicity itself for us to take part in all elections...especially the prop rep ones where you have to rank etc, which really does require thinking time! I'm very glad we took part in this one.

[tut]

We were talking about the young vote yesterday, i.e. the school kids getting away or needing transport to get to the PS.

I am pretty sure that if they could vote through their mobiles then it would increase the numbers.

tut

[BigD]

The vote is over so lets move on in a positive manner and rebuilt the bridges that have been knocked down.

Make it work for us regardless of what side you were on, there is enough division in our small country already.