Independence SE Poll

[campbell]

my point on students is from listening to them on radio and tv over the last few weeks.

I think in the 100+ that have had a voice, only 2 actually showed they understood what they were talking about.

Students or school pupils? The 16-17 yr old vote has generally admitted a large proportion of 4th-6th year school pupils. Albeit some will certainly be college or unusually young university students. The life experiences of these two groups can be markedly different. Were the exchanges you witnessed characterised by school pupils or college/uni students? They are not the same thing.

[campbell]

The vote is over so lets move on in a positive manner and rebuilt the bridges that have been knocked down.

Make it work for us regardless of what side you were on, there is enough division in our small country already.

BigD for First Minister

[Corranga]

Ok, so how is our Dundee masseev feeling now?!

Fcuking relieved, but I'm quite obviously in a regional minority

Certainly explains why NO voters were nigh on impossible to find around the city.

I did say a few pages back that Dundee was a Yes city, though somehow the last group of people I spoke to before going home were another 3 Nos.

The vote is over so lets move on in a positive manner and rebuilt the bridges that have been knocked down.

Make it work for us regardless of what side you were on, there is enough division in our small country already.

I absolutely agree 100%, our country is torn in two.

From my perspective, in the Yes-dee, it seems that might take a while.

My Facebook news feed is disgusting today. It seems that the most vocal minority of Yes voters have changed from posting propaganda, to just plain insults.

A lovely image explaining that the 4 constituencies that voted predominantly Yes are the only real Scots, and that none of the No voted can complain when the NHS is privatised and everyone has to pay for tuition – 2 things that are already devolved!

Another stating: “this is one of the 45% who can still sing Flower of Scotland”

People moaning about Thatcherism and screaming Tory, Tory, Tory like it's a swear word.

And finally (for my rant anyway), A HUGE amount of anti-English racism being banded around.

I’ve never felt less proud to be a Scot.

[tut]

This is worth a laugh, especially the baby sketch after the initial advert.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/scot ... =145232199

tut

[Kelvin]

my point on students is from listening to them on radio and tv over the last few weeks.

I think in the 100+ that have had a voice, only 2 actually showed they understood what they were talking about.

Students or school pupils? The 16-17 yr old vote has generally admitted a large proportion of 4th-6th year school pupils. Albeit some will certainly be college or unusually young university students. The life experiences of these two groups can be markedly different. Were the exchanges you witnessed characterised by school pupils or college/uni students? They are not the same thing.

Conversely to scunners I was really impressed with the level of maturity and thoughtful comment from the younguns. I watched the Big Debate and it was better than some of the supposed adult debates.

There also seems to be an assumption the 16/17 year olds voted yes but the polls suggested that this wasn't the case although they were flip flopping from one to the other at times. I raised a cynical eyebrown when I first read that the 16/17 year olds would be allowed to vote as it's easy to imagine that they would vote yes. It seems it may well have backfired on Wee Eck if this was his intention. Moreover, getting young peope enaged in politics is a challenge so if this referendum has achieved that then that's a good thing.

[neil]

when the NHS is privatised and everyone has to pay for tuition – 2 things that are already devolved!

They may be devolved but if the Barnett formula goes and the Scottish Government have less pocket money then this could well change. Time will tell

[neil]

The overall process of casting a vote involves an amount of interest, engagement and research chosen by each individual voter. I think it's this aspect which holds people back, or creates apathy, or whatever. Not the physical method by which the vote is cast.

If one chooses not to engage when offered a precious vote, that's an individual choice and itself a feature of the liberty hard-fought for by many previous generations in our country. At the very least, one could cast a random vote. Or at the very most, conduct weeks of detailed research and analysis to reach a considered view before marking the box. It's up to you. Welcome to democracy.

IMHO voter apathy is down to there being so little between the main parties that you get the same out of touch government no matter who you vote for, so why bother?

[tut]

I have never been able to get that across to people. This Referendum was different from a General Election, next year we will either get a Conservative or Labour Government if there is an outright majority, a Coalition with the Libs, UKIP, or the Monster Raving Lunes if not.

I have always been a Tory voter, but frankly I think it has now got to the state where I would not notice a difference, so if many others feel like that then you will get indifference and apathy.

Rather like this time where I was not taking a chance at my stage of life, I would stick to Tory as the devil I know rather than risking Labour to undo the good things that have been achieved.

tut

[campbell]

There also seems to be an assumption the 16/17 year olds voted yes but the polls suggested that this wasn't the case although they were flip flopping from one to the other at times. I raised a cynical eyebrown when I first read that the 16/17 year olds would be allowed to vote as it's easy to imagine that they would vote yes. It seems it may well have backfired on Wee Eck if this was his intention. Moreover, getting young peope enaged in politics is a challenge so if this referendum has achieved that then that's a good thing.

Agree on all this. Especially the getting them engaged in things early. That's where the real change can come.

Even our 9 year old was showing genuine interest, and made credible unbiased remarks or questions about the whole affair. She watched the Dimbleby interviews with particular interest. And she's easily distracted...

[campbell]

My Facebook news feed is disgusting today. It seems that the most vocal minority of Yes voters have changed from posting propaganda, to just plain insults.

A lovely image explaining that the 4 constituencies that voted predominantly Yes are the only real Scots, and that none of the No voted can complain when the NHS is privatised and everyone has to pay for tuition – 2 things that are already devolved!

Another stating: “this is one of the 45% who can still sing Flower of Scotland”

People moaning about Thatcherism and screaming Tory, Tory, Tory like it's a swear word.

And finally (for my rant anyway), A HUGE amount of anti-English racism being banded around.

I’ve never felt less proud to be a Scot.

Need to rise above it. The non-republic of Scotland has as much to offer and play for right now as the Yes camp portrayed in the last 2 years. Alex says it's Team Scotland from now on. Let's be mature enough to try it out.

[David]

I've been stunned by how engaged my 17 year old daughter became. Loads of good questions and she was the only one in the family to sit up all night. Now she's asking about Syria and what's the war is about This can only be good for our future.

[Corranga]

My Facebook news feed is disgusting today. It seems that the most vocal minority of Yes voters have changed from posting propaganda, to just plain insults.

A lovely image explaining that the 4 constituencies that voted predominantly Yes are the only real Scots, and that none of the No voted can complain when the NHS is privatised and everyone has to pay for tuition – 2 things that are already devolved!

Another stating: “this is one of the 45% who can still sing Flower of Scotland”

People moaning about Thatcherism and screaming Tory, Tory, Tory like it's a swear word.

And finally (for my rant anyway), A HUGE amount of anti-English racism being banded around.

I’ve never felt less proud to be a Scot.

Need to rise above it. The non-republic of Scotland has as much to offer and play for right now as the Yes camp portrayed in the last 2 years. Alex says it's Team Scotland from now on. Let's be mature enough to try it out.

[mxvx]

I see this on FB

"Good morning Scotland... it's groundhog day for another century or so! Still kneeling in the shadow of Westminster. Have a happy and prosperous life...."

[neil]

Just been listening to Radio 2 and surprise surprise, the timeline on these "new powers" has already slipped. They'll now have something drafted by next years election but nothing will be put in place till after the vote.

Plus Lord Barnett has said his formula is fundamentally flawed as it vastly overestimates the Scottish share of the pot - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... d-now.html

Interesting times ahead

[Shug]

Just been listening to Radio 2 and surprise surprise, the timeline on these "new powers" has already slipped. They'll now have something drafted by next years election but nothing will be put in place till after the vote.

Who said this? I'm seeing no other reporting of it so far?