Independence SE Poll

[BiggestNizzy]

It's going to be ugly and divisive and given the SNP could not even form a majority government does no one else like me think is strange when Sturgeon says she is speaking for the whole of Scotland.

Rather than have 18 months of debate and vitriolic bile I hope we have the referendum in 3 months to get it out of the way.

As for EU nationals and their status post Brexit, what about their status if we get Independence? We'll not be part of Europe ( that's been made very clear and the SNP stickibg its fingers in their ears singing lalala can't hear you is changing anything ) and not be part of the UK. We'll be on our own for a bit surely with WTO tariffs galore.
Oh happy days.

AS for being dragged out of the EU against your will. That's democracy and as a fully paid up member of the UK Scotland needs to understand that it was a UK vote not a regional vote. Or, do we just forget about democracy and not bother with votes? What was it, 68% of the 65% of Scots who could have voted voted to remain. Hardly a mandate there as that is only around 44% of the total eligible vote.

Fiscally and economically this just does not make sense. Emotionally yes. But emotions don't pay the bills.

On the same point it's something like 35% of the people who were eligable to vote voted for brexit, the current UK goverment only got 33ish% of the vote and 100% of the power the UK goverment keeps telling us that Brexit is "the will of the people" with those figures.

Can someone tell me why it's worth delving into the unknown creating uncertainty and putting barriers in place with our biggest trading partners is a route that we want to go down?

[tut]

Nope.........

tut

[DDtB]

More likely only true scots will be allowed to vote

And how do we know who is a true scot?

Ginger pubes.

[campbell]

* Moderator edit *

General point.

IIRC this thread and a couple of others like if got pretty heated last time around.

We had to take some action over recent abusive and distasteful comments.

Keep it respectful please.

[Rosssco]

It's going to be ugly and divisive and given the SNP could not even form a majority government does no one else like me think is strange when Sturgeon says she is speaking for the whole of Scotland.

Rather than have 18 months of debate and vitriolic bile I hope we have the referendum in 3 months to get it out of the way.

As for EU nationals and their status post Brexit, what about their status if we get Independence? We'll not be part of Europe ( that's been made very clear and the SNP stickibg its fingers in their ears singing lalala can't hear you is changing anything ) and not be part of the UK. We'll be on our own for a bit surely with WTO tariffs galore.
Oh happy days.

AS for being dragged out of the EU against your will. That's democracy and as a fully paid up member of the UK Scotland needs to understand that it was a UK vote not a regional vote. Or, do we just forget about democracy and not bother with votes? What was it, 68% of the 65% of Scots who could have voted voted to remain. Hardly a mandate there as that is only around 44% of the total eligible vote.

Fiscally and economically this just does not make sense. Emotionally yes. But emotions don't pay the bills.

On the same point it's something like 35% of the people who were eligable to vote voted for brexit, the current UK goverment only got 33ish% of the vote and 100% of the power the UK goverment keeps telling us that Brexit is "the will of the people" with those figures.

Can someone tell me why it's worth delving into the unknown creating uncertainty and putting barriers in place with our biggest trading partners is a route that we want to go down?

I agree on what you say, the primary difference is, we didn't have a Brexit vote 1, which was won by a 10% margin (which more people voted for than anything else, ever - 2m+ votes), only for the Tories to turn round as say there's been an external change to circumstances which doesn't fit with their political agenda, and propose another one..

The will of the people would be sub-servant to the desires of a political party.

We'd all be pretty pi$$ed off in such circumstances, call it really quite undemocratic, and ask for it not to happen..

[BiggestNizzy]

http://newsthump.com/2017/03/14/divisiv ... certainty/

I will leave this here

[campbell]

Lol

Note that Mrs May is enacting a referendum decision which she inherited.

Ms Sturgeon is inciting a brand new one. To try to make up for the previous one which didn't suit her.

Not the same thing.

Albeit the parallels would be funny if they were not so tragic :-/

[Corranga]

http://newsthump.com/2017/03/14/divisiv ... certainty/

I will leave this here

I'd leave it there too. Certainly not worth taking it anywhere else. it's a funny article, but it ignores some very simple differences.

I could write a similar article about how my 3 year old daughter asked me for chocolate a minute after her mum said no, and compare her to Sturgeon, and the similarities would be in the same ball park as that article..

[c8rkh]

I think @Corranga your 3 year old daughter may turn out to be a better First Minister for us all. At least she wouldn't just go on about the chocolate ALL THE TIME and when she had a wee nap in the afternoon the rest of Holyrood could then talk about something else for a change and maybe even sort out some of our problems like health - ooops, back to chocolate again, education, police, etc.