Porker lovers

[Gareth]

I thought this looked reasonable http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... st/1185973

This turbo has been through our rigorous inspection process with flying

turbo?

tut

Must be admin error.
I had noticed that car. Black leather and I would of bought it but stone grey...looks more beige in the pics. Other pics online are darker (nicer).

Then there's this one:
http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-s ... r-sale-384

More miles but same price which must be balanced out with better colour combo and full OPC service history...

[shooomer]

They're a good garage

[Jeremy]

Not normally a big fan of Guards Red but that is proper, proper lovely

Regards,

Jeremy

I've got a '96 993 C2 and absolutely love it. After I sold the Exige I got a Cayman S. It was a brilliant car and very capable and quick but it just didn't put a smile on my face in the same way the Exige did. It was just a bit too refined and too easy to drive quickly; it just didn't satisfy in the right ways for me. The 993 puts that smile on my face. It needs to be (for want of a better word) 'properly' driven, there are no electronic aids (save ABS) and the feed back through the wheel and your backside is much more akin to the Exige. The car is quick and now I've updated the suspension the handling is excellent. Ahh, oh yes, the sound! That is one thing thats hard to beat!


A few specs on the car: '96 Guards Red 993 Carerra C2, HB seats, RS steering wheel, front turbo PU, Bilstein HD's, H&R sport springs, M030 front and rear anti roll bars, HID headlights, RS engine mounts, Motor Sound Pack, Dansk mufflers, Dansk cat bypass, Wayne Re -map 305bhp, 18" Turbo Hollow Spokes on AD08 rubber

[Jeremy]

I really don't get this C4S thing either I must admit, no offence to any owners or potential owners. Not really the purists choice. I can only assume it's a visual thing due to the widebody ? Who knows.

It's not surprising however that the general public are slowly wakening up to the stunning value offered by the 996. For too long, values have been falsely suppressed. There were those who said it would never be loved or sought after but I think that's wrong - it's a 911.

I can see future generations clambering to own 'the first water cooled 911'. Buy now whilst you can !

Regards,

Jeremy

[DDtB]

The c4s thing is pretty simple...

It's arguably one of the best looking 996 variants, it's got 4 wheel drive, easy and safe to use its performance on a daily basis in all weathers, great spec as standard etc etc etc.

Sure the likes of a gt3 is 'better' from a purist point of view... But only a fool would say it's a better choice to do 15k+ miles in all year round as a daily and spend lots of time on motorways etc. Imho the c4s is the obvious choice for that if you want a 996...

What's not to get?!?!

[Jeremy]

The c4s thing is pretty simple...

It's arguably one of the best looking 996 variants, it's got 4 wheel drive, easy and safe to use its performance on a daily basis in all weathers, great spec as standard etc etc etc.

Sure the likes of a gt3 is 'better' from a purist point of view... But only a fool would say it's a better choice to do 15k+ miles in all year round as a daily and spend lots of time on motorways etc. Imho the c4s is the obvious choice for that if you want a 996...

What's not to get?!?!

I guess it's all down to personal choice and personal preferences. The only 4wd 911 I've driven was a 997 but it's generally accepted that a 4wd 911's understeers more than their 2wd counterparts and are not as pure to drive. I'm not talking GT3, just bog standard C2S. I also prefer the look of the narrow bodied car.

I would rather have a winter tyred diesel Focus for my 15k commute (or Impreza WRX if that's not fast/all weather enough for you) and something a bit more edgy for evenings and weekends, even a 986 Boxster S. Seems pointless racking up Porsche service and tyre bills sitting bumper to bumper in the outside lane of the M6 doing 65mph or crawling through the urban rush hour.

Please don't think I'm being critical of the 996 4S, I really do like them. I just don't understand this seemingly new found cult status in relation to it's brothers. As I said, personal choice and preferences.

Regards,

Jeremy

[woody]

To be fair to Dave (for once), he does have a Ducati and the parts to assemble an S1 Elise out of, so why the need for an edgier Porsche.

[Modena Scotland]

The C4S in it's standard set up understeers far too much imo. With the 911s, it's required to trail brake to turn in sharply but with the C4S I had to lose too much speed turning in which put me off a big time. I know one could change the geo to reduce the understeer but I wonder how many C4S have actually been done..........

[DDtB]

The C4S in it's standard set up understeers far too much imo. With the 911s, it's required to trail brake to turn in sharply but with the C4S I had to lose too much speed turning in which put me off a big time. I know one could change the geo to reduce the understeer but I wonder how many C4S have actually been done..........

I'm assuming you're talking about track driving?!?!

And by assuming... I mean hoping!!!!!

[Shug]

Guess I have to stand in Dave's corner here as well (as much as it pains me) I've got an Audi S8 that isn't a sportscar and doesn't handle well in the conventional sense. It's there because it covers ground effortlessly, is incredibly quick cross country at 80% effort pace and is a really nice place to be. It's on the limit behaviour or lack of steering feel is of absolutely no interest to me, as no matter how good it is, it won't be as to my liking as the Elise I can also drive when I want to, or the motorcycle I take out when I want a proper buzz.

So, I totally see the point of replacing his daily sh*tter Golf with this, as it's a premium car he can enjoy being in for long periods of time, which offers the all-weather ability that will see him okay in most stuff Scotland will throw at him. What possible benefit is slightly better steering feel and handling when it's not the car used for track or fun road, when it diminishes the practicality and isn't as good looking (to the owner)?

[Gareth]

I too won't be tracking and at no point will I be doing neck breaking speeds on public roads to worry about under/over steer or trail breaking....
Like all my cars, it will be a garage queen but used as intended....to be driven.

I'd of bought a Lotus but I can't be arsed folding into them anymore. Still love them but for me to buy one it would be a 3rd/4th car.
And you know what....I'm that old I'm loving my auto 7 speed box in the 63. I'm not sure I'd go back to a manual as my daily.

Anyway, still looking. So much to debate on prices, spec, colour, miles, servicing, distance from home.....
Lotus buying was a lot easier.

[Modena Scotland]

I was talking about a fast b road runs, which all of us enjoy
Never driven a c4s on a track

[rossybee]

To reiterate some others' views on 2wd vs 4wd 996 porkers, the whole understeer thing is utter hogwash.

Not just Dave (or Gareth), but the majority of 996 owners won't feel the difference regardless of which wheels are driven in normal use, unless really pushing on, and in extreme conditions. The only caveat here is perhaps steering feel, but I can't see either being totally devoid of this either.

My only 4wd cars have been Integrale and RS6, neither were available as anything but AWD, the Lancia had fabulous feel (still to this day my favourite assisted set-up), and the Audi was pretty crap, but in my mind, didn't detract from the driving experience as it wasn't a precision tool but a blunt instrument which was lots of fun but also doubled up as a family hold-all, and could tow my trailer (and caravan [feck you jj] )

[Modena Scotland]

To reiterate some others' views on 2wd vs 4wd 996 porkers, the whole understeer thing is utter hogwash.

Have you actually compared the drive of the 996 C2 and C4S? I noticed the understeer in the first corner. The owner of the C4S never realised he had an understeer issue until he drove mine. He was also very surprised/shocked. Another friend of mine who test drove a C4S decided not to buy a 996 but now is looking to buy a C2 after he had a drive in mine. I feel there is a huge difference between the two.

Having said this, my car has the MO30 (sports suspension) and LSD so might drive better than a standard C2s.

[rossybee]

So the very first corner you turned, the first time you drove a C4s, you were understeering?