The Referendum

[pete]

but I also agree about we are now backed into a corner if we stay in the uk.
I said that to folk when the independence pony was being brought to market, but everyone I said it to laughed at me.
its just like when you push your luck too much when you are a kid - and all the "let you off" that your parents have given you are suddenly removed.
devo-max was the way to go, stupid clueless SNP wanting independence "at all costs".
Its all they care about... i dont trust that.

You know they were elected don't you?

And you know that we are in a union with England, they are not our parents?

Salmond has a much clearer mandate than Cameron, but equally Cameron is supposed to be responding to the wishes of the electorate.

Genuine question, do you think Cameron has a democratic mandate in relation to Scottish independence, and if so what is it?

[Rosssco]

but I also agree about we are now backed into a corner if we stay in the uk.
I said that to folk when the independence pony was being brought to market, but everyone I said it to laughed at me.
its just like when you push your luck too much when you are a kid - and all the "let you off" that your parents have given you are suddenly removed.
devo-max was the way to go, stupid clueless SNP wanting independence "at all costs".
Its all they care about... i dont trust that.

You know they were elected don't you?

And you know that we are in a union with England, they are not our parents?

Salmond has a much clearer mandate than Cameron, but equally Cameron is supposed to be responding to the wishes of the electorate.

Genuine question, do you think Cameron has a democratic mandate in relation to Scottish independence, and if so what is it?

Yes but not, I believe, with a mandate for independance, even though its been their main political aim since inception. People would vote in local elections for their preferred local MSP, not necessarily for one ofr a party who would then go on to progress the referendum.

Cameron does have a democratic man date - he's meeting Big Eck for a fish supper (or posh burger) and perhaps a couple of pints at a neutral location to "see how things go"..

[Mikie711]

Some may find this interesting, had heard of it before and it's a bit of a history lesson for those that haven't. Released under the FOI act. Well worth the time to read the short, 19 page, from Professor Gavin McCrone back in the 1974 just as the North sea had kicked off. If you can't be arsed reading the whole thing then the conclusion, starting on page 16, is where he makes his point.

[PhilA]

but I also agree about we are now backed into a corner if we stay in the uk.
I said that to folk when the independence pony was being brought to market, but everyone I said it to laughed at me.
its just like when you push your luck too much when you are a kid - and all the "let you off" that your parents have given you are suddenly removed.
devo-max was the way to go, stupid clueless SNP wanting independence "at all costs".
Its all they care about... i dont trust that.

You know they were elected don't you?

they were elected, omg wow
Answer: does it need answering?

And you know that we are in a union with England, they are not our parents?

nooo... not... our... parents? feck, why didnt someone say that before.
Answer: does it need answering?

Salmond has a much clearer mandate than Cameron, but equally Cameron is supposed to be responding to the wishes of the electorate.

"mandate" is not clear to either. Tory didnt win it fully. People voting for SNP did so for the policies to run the Scottish P, not all of them want independence. So that "mandate" (hate that word) is not tested at best.
Comment: mandate To Do What exactly?

Genuine question, do you think Cameron has a democratic mandate in relation to Scottish independence, and if so what is it?

Who cares? Really?
Answer: mandate To Do What?
To have an opinion on it? Yes.
As much as many people in Scotland HATE the Tory, some of us actually VOTE for Tory. If I put aside my political responses I would say that I am fed up of non-Tory Scottish voters saying FOR ME that noone in Scotland voted for them.
If the mandate is to have a say, opinion and try and persuade others of this opinion then in my opinion he most definately does.
As does every other MP/MSP/human being.

[PhilA]

OR.. turn it around... are only SNP voters allowed to have say and that say is YES?

Watch on YouTube

Now, that is meant to be light hearted

[tut]

No 1 in the Charts in 1965.

However Helen Shapiro recorded it first in 1963, performed it back home in Northwich when the Beatles were her backing group.

tut

[robin]

The current scottish government have a stronger backing than the current UK government - that's clear because ones a majority and the other a coalition.

That the SNP wanted to seek a referendum on independence was, I believe, part of their manifesto. So up to the end of the referendum, they're OK for "mandate", I think.

Beyond the manifesto, if the yes campaign win, independence itself won't happen until 2016 with almost immediate elections thereafter. So the current scottish government won't be the independent government (beyond managing the negotiations and the first election). Those turnips will be freshly elected. The silent no majority that couldn't be arsed to vote and thus lost the referendum could vote in a scottish tory government as a backlash.


Cheers,
Robin