Scottish Independance - debate

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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by Rosssco » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:54 pm

flyingscot68 wrote:A balanced view on the subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR53bcBDOGg&sns=em


Or the best Yes vote propaganda I've seen yet.

Not safe to watch BTW.


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Unfortunately, this is the reality for some people, and is just an extension of bigoted views. I'm sure if you surveyed a proportion of equivalent Celtic supporters you'd find they were, in general (although not all of course), leaving towards a Yes vote. Not because they have studied the facts and came to a logical conclusion, but because they feel they must reject the British state, and have some old affinity for Ireland etc.

It's just the same old stuff played out on a different format for these people..
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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by Kelvin » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:20 am

If it's a yes vote it'll be a bit like my divorce. Painful for the first 5 years or so but after 10 life will be peachy.

ETA: That's a bit flippant but probably close to what might happen. All of the technical analysis in the World prior to the vote is irrelevant until the vote is concluded as the result will dictate what will really happen which might well be completely opposite to what the analysts are saying at the moment. There are just too many unknown factors. What hasn't surprised me is the amount of anti-Scottish rhetoric I'm hearing here in England from certain quarters. Even my son has had a bit of it at school despite his 'well good' English accent, he's half Spanish, and been in England for 10 of his almost 14 years.

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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by campbell » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:14 pm

Welcome back, Kelvin. Interesting metaphor (well, simile, strictly speaking, I think!)
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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by robin » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:59 am

campbell wrote:Welcome back, Kelvin. Interesting metaphor (well, simile, strictly speaking, I think!)
You can always rely on Swiss Tony to confuse the two ...
And yet, independence is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You ... win the vote, string 'em along with some half-lies and evasions, probe some deep dark holes, and then hand over all your money.
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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by campbell » Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:01 am

Nice one
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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by tut » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:36 pm

Latest bookies odds are 1/3 on a No vote, and they usually get it correct.

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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by robin » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:32 am

Interesting point, Tut. I suspect the bookies simply follow the money on this one to guarantee a return - i.e. they want to make money on either outcome.

Looking back over the odds history, the odds for yes started in 2011 more or less where they are today, rising all the way up to 5:1 at the end of 2013 before coming back to 3:1 today.

Meanwhile the No vote has taken the broadly the opposite path (clearly, given that the bookies need the odds x bets to balance).

So the bookies seem to "think" that the yes vote is becoming more likely and the no vote less likely, though the no vote is still significantly more likely than the yes vote by a big margin.

What you have to understand, though, is that this is effectively a poll of the betting public, except that richer betters influence the poll more than poorer betters, rather than the usual one-person one-vote approach of a poll.

The other issue is that people often bet with their hearts not their heads; for example whenever England are playing football you will always get generous odds from UK bookies on the other side because so many people bet on England even though they might actually not stand that good a chance of winning.

Even so, the odds of about 3:1 (or 1:3 depending on which side you're looking at) are quite a long way from the somewhere between 40/60 and 50/50 split that polls tend to return on this subject, though the trend is the same - i.e. the gap is narrowing.

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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by Rosssco » Fri May 02, 2014 10:21 am

An article I found interesting in its analysis of the Nationalist position on independance

http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-may ... C0%2C0%2C0
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Post by Doc883 » Thu May 22, 2014 1:18 pm

About Right :lol:

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Post by j2 lot » Thu May 22, 2014 1:21 pm

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Post by Dominic » Thu May 22, 2014 1:36 pm

ha ha, that's great! :damnfunny
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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by scott_e » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:37 am

Sorry for resurrecting this thread , many of us have had enough of this already I am sure.

Curious. Just wondered if anyone has taken an SE poll at all yet ? and it is worth doing one ?

99% of the people I have talked to are NO voters.

Only people voting YES I am aware of to date are SNP party members.

As a result I am convinced its a NO vote.

Curious to know if my anecdotal poll to date is reflected on SE too.

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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by campbell » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:11 am

I seem to recall this was explored previously and it was felt inappropriate!

Someone will correct me shortly I'm sure.
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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by pete » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:33 pm

campbell wrote:I seem to recall this was explored previously and it was felt inappropriate!

Someone will correct me shortly I'm sure.
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Re: Scottish Independance - debate

Post by rossybee » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:47 pm

A colleague from Hartlepool (and lives there) just stated that he will be voting for England.
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