Saw this over at vx220.org
Nothing worse than sitting on the m8 nose to tail in the outside lane with almost no one on the inside:chainsaw
http://www.public.tv/programmes.php?PID ... e=Lane+Hog
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Gets on my nerves too, and more often than not I end up undertaking.VXJON wrote:Saw this over at vx220.org
Nothing worse than sitting on the m8 nose to tail in the outside lane with almost no one on the inside:chainsaw
http://www.public.tv/programmes.php?PID ... e=Lane+Hog
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Personally I'd rather keep my license so I'm one of the fools who sits at the back of the queue (normally weaving from side to side with my lights on) rather than being done for dangerous driving, losing my license and possiblly ending up in the clinck for 6 months because someone's pulled back in as yo are undertaking.
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Depends how you "undertake".
Highway Code has provision for passing cars on the left if the traffic in the lane to the right is moving more slowly than you (think that's how it's written...someone will correct me I'm sure).
If you are already in Lane 1 and approach a middle-lane hogger going slower, I think creeping past in Lane 1 has some credibility. Yes I'll get flamed for that but there you go.
What works quite well, though, is to indicate your way all the way out from Lane 1 to Lane 3 behind the hogger, then indicate your way all the way back from Lane 3 to Lane 1 right ahead of them. This often catches their attention, as some of them are only doing it absent-mindedly. I've seen a lot then return to Lane 1. Win-win
The bottom line is education. How can we expect drivers to do a good job on a motorway when it is not physically taught or examined in a test? The excuse that Norfolk and Cornwall drivers are disadvantaged in trying to be tested on this due to lack of motorways is IRRELEVANT. Holding that logic, you'd have to say OK, drivers sitting a test in those counties can't go and use m-ways in other areas. Ah well, what a shame that would be.
Campbell
Highway Code has provision for passing cars on the left if the traffic in the lane to the right is moving more slowly than you (think that's how it's written...someone will correct me I'm sure).
If you are already in Lane 1 and approach a middle-lane hogger going slower, I think creeping past in Lane 1 has some credibility. Yes I'll get flamed for that but there you go.
What works quite well, though, is to indicate your way all the way out from Lane 1 to Lane 3 behind the hogger, then indicate your way all the way back from Lane 3 to Lane 1 right ahead of them. This often catches their attention, as some of them are only doing it absent-mindedly. I've seen a lot then return to Lane 1. Win-win
The bottom line is education. How can we expect drivers to do a good job on a motorway when it is not physically taught or examined in a test? The excuse that Norfolk and Cornwall drivers are disadvantaged in trying to be tested on this due to lack of motorways is IRRELEVANT. Holding that logic, you'd have to say OK, drivers sitting a test in those counties can't go and use m-ways in other areas. Ah well, what a shame that would be.
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In the central belt the M8 has a lot to answer for, exits tend to be signed with overhead gantries which suggest that lane 1 is actually leaving the motorway (when it isn't). And then sometimes it does. Or sometimes it is the outside lane that leaves.
I suspect it looks great on a designers pad but in reality doesn't work with the volume of traffic there is now.
Also drivers of the more nervous, or pig headed, disposition fin it easier to sit where they are. I actually had a discussion with someone in work who believes lane 2 is for medium speed cars, people shouldn't really overtake them on country roads, cyclists should be banned from the roads for both slowing them down on the open road and for overtaking in towns.
I'd like to say that at the end of the discussion they had seen the light but the truth is their opinions were so deeply rooted they couldn't be shifted.
Pete
I suspect it looks great on a designers pad but in reality doesn't work with the volume of traffic there is now.
Also drivers of the more nervous, or pig headed, disposition fin it easier to sit where they are. I actually had a discussion with someone in work who believes lane 2 is for medium speed cars, people shouldn't really overtake them on country roads, cyclists should be banned from the roads for both slowing them down on the open road and for overtaking in towns.
I'd like to say that at the end of the discussion they had seen the light but the truth is their opinions were so deeply rooted they couldn't be shifted.
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Under taking is an offensive considered as dangerous driving - I found out the hard way!
You can only pass on the left on One Way Streets, when turning left, when exiting a motor or dual carraigway when the white lines get really close together or when in a slow moving queue of traffic.
Of course they should be pulling over and doing the hoggers for driving without due consideration but they never do!
Mac
You can only pass on the left on One Way Streets, when turning left, when exiting a motor or dual carraigway when the white lines get really close together or when in a slow moving queue of traffic.
Of course they should be pulling over and doing the hoggers for driving without due consideration but they never do!
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If the inside lane is clear, as can often be the case, you have every right to drive it at 70. If there are cars in the middle and outside lanes going slower, then you are not undertaking, you are merely sticking to your lane.
I have actually done this with a police car in the middle lane to prove a point, and when I passed him, he pulled into the inside lane.
However switching in and out of lanes to try and catch up your Elise group in front because of traffic is a different kettle of fish, and you are then taking a chance and could be legitimately copped.
tut
I have actually done this with a police car in the middle lane to prove a point, and when I passed him, he pulled into the inside lane.
However switching in and out of lanes to try and catch up your Elise group in front because of traffic is a different kettle of fish, and you are then taking a chance and could be legitimately copped.
tut
Highway Code Rule 268
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake
Interstingingly it dosn't have any law or regulations quoted under the rule. However I am with Mac on this one and think undertaking, while understandable is extremely dangerous and have seem one accident where the undertaker ended up needing an undertaker.
The Police should do more about Lane Hoggers. The M8 into Glasgow is terrible as often the right hand lane is jammed and the left hand lane is empty. You never see messages about lane hogging on the overhead message boards, just messages about complying with the speed limit. The only place you could get anywhere near the speed limit is in the inside lane. I was once followed by a Police women from joining the M8 at Bailleston right to where I came off near the Passport office. I was on the motorbike and was sticking to the speed limit. I was passing traffic and going from Left to right and then back in again. At times I was doing this even though I could have saved the effort by staying in the left hand lane and undertaking. Anyway to my amazement she said that she had been following me for miles and that I had been weaving all over the place. I said I was only following lane discipline and tried to explain what I meant. I soon relaised that it was just best to agree with her and say sorry and get back on my way. Stupid cow shouldn't have even been behind the wheel of a Polive Van if she dosn't even know the highway code.
When on the moterbike I do technically undertake as I filter, but only do so in very slow moving traffic and with my headlight on full beam. Still get people lane changing without checking their mirrors.
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake
Interstingingly it dosn't have any law or regulations quoted under the rule. However I am with Mac on this one and think undertaking, while understandable is extremely dangerous and have seem one accident where the undertaker ended up needing an undertaker.
The Police should do more about Lane Hoggers. The M8 into Glasgow is terrible as often the right hand lane is jammed and the left hand lane is empty. You never see messages about lane hogging on the overhead message boards, just messages about complying with the speed limit. The only place you could get anywhere near the speed limit is in the inside lane. I was once followed by a Police women from joining the M8 at Bailleston right to where I came off near the Passport office. I was on the motorbike and was sticking to the speed limit. I was passing traffic and going from Left to right and then back in again. At times I was doing this even though I could have saved the effort by staying in the left hand lane and undertaking. Anyway to my amazement she said that she had been following me for miles and that I had been weaving all over the place. I said I was only following lane discipline and tried to explain what I meant. I soon relaised that it was just best to agree with her and say sorry and get back on my way. Stupid cow shouldn't have even been behind the wheel of a Polive Van if she dosn't even know the highway code.
When on the moterbike I do technically undertake as I filter, but only do so in very slow moving traffic and with my headlight on full beam. Still get people lane changing without checking their mirrors.
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