Ally Rennie - 360 Complete Detailing

[rossybee]

Shug - from a mod POV - I understand you not wanting things to blow out of proportion here, but over-moderation at this early stage of this thread will only have a negative effect, as the SE "community" are understandably concerned, and (IMHO) entitled to some info regarding what is a very serious (as proven by the courts) matter.

Regardless of the magnitude of wrong-doing here, I don't believe anyone would feel comfortable allowing their family any form of exposure to someone convicted of any such crime.

[Shug]

Definitely - trying to explain my position (personally) whilst clarifying the moderation position at the start.

That being (for the absence of ambiguity) that the only moderation on this thread will be for personal or libellous attacks, as per the guidelines. From a personal POV, I was simply explaining my views and reasoning for not posting about it myself, which is not to be misconstrued as a moderation line.

[Peter76]

People change though and perhaps he has learnt from his mistakes. He's serving his time.

Sorry Gareth, but surely if he's into this sort of thing, he can't change. If you get some sort of gratification from looking at these sort of images, surely you can't just turn if off? The only thing learnt in this situation is to not get caught next time.

Thanks to Lewis for very rightly highlighting this to the rest of us. At least people can make an informed decision if (big if) they are going to use him again or in the future.

[Shug]

People change though and perhaps he has learnt from his mistakes. He's serving his time.

Sorry Gareth, but surely if he's into this sort of thing, he can't change. If you get some sort of gratification from looking at these sort of images, surely you can't just turn if off? The only thing learnt in this situation is to not get caught next time.

Not having a go, or "moderating" to be clear - but do you know that as a fact? Are you involved with sex offender rehabilitation? Genuine query.

I was under the impression that there are cases where people can be given mental tools to control what isn't acceptable - otherwise we'd still have a country with full up mental asylums and patients with no hope of release. Not saying we've not gone too far the other way, though.

It's a hugely emotive subject (of course, bloody right too) but I feel with a lot of disinformation around.

[Gareth]

People change though and perhaps he has learnt from his mistakes. He's serving his time.

Sorry Gareth, but surely if he's into this sort of thing, he can't change. If you get some sort of gratification from looking at these sort of images, surely you can't just turn if off? The only thing learnt in this situation is to not get caught next time.

Thanks to Lewis for very rightly highlighting this to the rest of us. At least people can make an informed decision if (big if) they are going to use him again or in the future.

I was just trying to be PC...very unlike me but you hold a valid point.
Shug has some decent responses mainly about how the press report things but forget all that, a court of law found him guilty.
The only people I feel sorry for are his family (not forgetting the kids in the pictures). There will be people out there who will blame his Mother etc.
Their lives have effectively been ruined as well by one mans obsession. Obsession? I don't know any other word as it's not something by brain can process...pics of naked kids on a laptop? A 25 year old porn star with massive honkers called Crystal yes....kids naw!

It's a totally fcuk up world we live in.

Perhaps people should have been made aware on SE as he was part of the "community" where many people had work done by him.
Keeping it hidden or unknown rightly or wrongly was the thing to do. I'm thinking the former.

Still....Campbell's comment made me laugh

I like Ally for that. He did an excellent deal, and job, on our Golf Anniversary. 2 kids later and it still looked showroom by the time he'd finished

[Modena Scotland]

I don't like the way this thread is heading at all

May I ask why, Mass?

I think Mass means Lynch-town. Just to clarify, if personal attacks with no information (please don't call the press "information") then we need to moderate in line with everything else. Reported facts, as always, are what we need to see. In everything I've read, the guy has been prosecuted for looking at inappropriate pictures. That is all, so hysterics are not in order. He's done wrong, he has a problem, he's been prosecuted for it and will likely be treated for it, which is what's needed IMO.

Well said Shug

We are all humans with faults. I am sure all of us have some secrets and have done things in the past which we are not too pound of. What he did is a punishable offence by law and he will be serving time.

What I don't want to read is judgemental comments regarding Ally or any other members of SE based on a single fact. There are many sides to each of us. Just because we discovered one side of Ally which we didn't know before, we should not not start bushing him. To me, he is still the same person but unfortunately now with a criminal record....... For this, he will pay the price by going to the prison.

I don't want to see the SE turning into an unfriendly member lynching forum.

[GBOBM]

I'd expected to see something on the forum some time ago. If you then ask why I didn't post when I knew - ask that of a lot of people. I personally felt it wasn't my place to report on a story that I don't have a lot of knowledge on...

I was on a night out with Ally the night the police came knocking on his door, but I personally didn't feel it was my place to say.

[Peter76]

People change though and perhaps he has learnt from his mistakes. He's serving his time.

Sorry Gareth, but surely if he's into this sort of thing, he can't change. If you get some sort of gratification from looking at these sort of images, surely you can't just turn if off? The only thing learnt in this situation is to not get caught next time.

Not having a go, or "moderating" to be clear - but do you know that as a fact? Are you involved with sex offender rehabilitation? Genuine query.

I was under the impression that there are cases where people can be given mental tools to control what isn't acceptable - otherwise we'd still have a country with full up mental asylums and patients with no hope of release. Not saying we've not gone too far the other way, though.

It's a hugely emotive subject (of course, bloody right too) but I feel with a lot of disinformation around.

No, you're quite right Shug, I don't know that as a fact, and I'm not involved with sex offender rehabilitation (it would be nice to think they can be rehabilitated), I just find it difficult to believe people can be 'cured' from this sort of thing and that's just my personal opinion on the matter. Where does it then lead to from just looking at images?

As far as I'm concerned, he has been caught with kiddie porn and therefore Lewis absolutely did the right thing in letting us all know that he is clearly a risk to children.

[Lazydonkey]

Perhaps people should have been made aware on SE as he was part of the "community" where many people had work done by him. Keeping it hidden or unknown rightly or wrongly was the thing to do. I'm thinking the former.

Gareth - he's not been online or trading since his arrest. It was this arrest that brought his previous conviction to light for myself and a number (most? all?) of other SE-ers. Its been discussed openly at a few meets ive been at and im not aware of it being hidden or covered up in any way .

There are a number of things that are known to SE but not posted on an open board.

[r10crw]

Out of curiosity, what age is classed as Kiddie porn? I as well as everyone else on here has seen some 14 year old girls that look like women. If someone is convicted of looking at 15 year old girls then is it the same law thats used to sentence the same crime with a 8 year old?

[tut]

It is good to see that nearly all the comments on our Forum have either centred on the shock of hearing this, or that it needed to be posted so that we had the information if we needed it. It is the first I have heard of it, so glad that it was on here.

I have not gone onto any other sites where it is probably being discussed, but I can imagine what some of the comments would be, and we have avoided that on here. Shug probably had his finger hovering, so lets hope that he does not have to use it.

tut

[scottishselise]

Out of curiosity, what age is classed as Kiddie porn? I as well as everyone else on here has seen some 14 year old girls that look like women. If someone is convicted of looking at 15 year old girls then is it the same law thats used to sentence the same crime with a 8 year old?

Mass - I don't think we were heading toward 'jump on bandwagon approch' currently? Think we have managed to comment without 'slating' and have stuck to facts.

My intiial thoughts upon hearing the world 'kiddie' is quite young, under 10 for sure, especially the way the media write it. However, the law may state otherwise, he may of had pictures of 15 year old girls and it is deemed illegal for whatever charge he has.

Tut, I agree with your comment that it is good to see we have not all jumped on here typing out ridicilous comments that you may see in other parts of the web. I personally find it quite difficult not to as I find it rather uncomfortable (as does everyone else I am sure). Looking at the evening express the past year it seems that actual convictions are scarily frequent.

[Gareth]

Perhaps people should have been made aware on SE as he was part of the "community" where many people had work done by him. Keeping it hidden or unknown rightly or wrongly was the thing to do. I'm thinking the former.

Gareth - he's not been online or trading since his arrest. It was this arrest that brought his previous conviction to light for myself and a number (most? all?) of other SE-ers. Its been discussed openly at a few meets ive been at and im not aware of it being hidden or covered up in any way .

There are a number of things that are known to SE but not posted on an open board.

Aw yeah. I knew about it but didn't feel it was my place to say anything. Perhaps no one felt comfortable talking about it.

[kenny]

Out of curiosity, what age is classed as Kiddie porn? I as well as everyone else on here has seen some 14 year old girls that look like women. If someone is convicted of looking at 15 year old girls then is it the same law thats used to sentence the same crime with a 8 year old?

I would think (hope) that common sense might see that dealt with by a simple warning to be careful.

On a slightly tangent, someone on my facebook friends list uploaded pics of his kids in the bath the other day, was quite surprised when I scrolled by it on the updates. In isolation it would be a difficult pic to explain

[Corranga]

Perhaps people should have been made aware on SE as he was part of the "community" where many people had work done by him. Keeping it hidden or unknown rightly or wrongly was the thing to do. I'm thinking the former.

Gareth - he's not been online or trading since his arrest. It was this arrest that brought his previous conviction to light for myself and a number (most? all?) of other SE-ers. Its been discussed openly at a few meets ive been at and im not aware of it being hidden or covered up in any way .

There are a number of things that are known to SE but not posted on an open board.

Can we have a private board to discuss these then please?

I had absolutely no idea about this, and it seems that others (including Tut, who obviously attends a lot of events and is well known!) didn't know either.

I'm now wondering what else that I and others don't know that others on here are happy to hide, about people who I may bring bring into my life / home via forum recommendations.

Like others, I don't know much about paedophile rehabilitation (or even if that's the right word when we're talking about 'just' some pictures) but it's in the same ball park, and even not having children of my own, I would be 100% on the side of caution.
Much like the muppets thread, there seems to be too much "i'd rather not talk badly about someone on here" and not enough "but what if"

Now, that was about road safety, and taking an uninformed risk. This is about something that is serious enough to get you a year and a half in jail!

I appreciate that no one feels comfortable talking about this sort of thing, but what if it was taken to the next level, and with a child of another SE member, whilst a lot of you felt 'uncomfortable' with posting the knowledge. Perspective?

Chris