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Anger management?
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:39 am
by Rich H
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:00 am
by tut
Whats the matter Rich, run out of Tornados to look after?

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:02 am
by Rich H
You should know better than the rest, we don't work weekends!
(And I won't be working at all soon!)
Thinking about getting some b-fast and driving to Lawrences but being lazy again.

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:03 am
by tut
Silly me, I forgot that the Russians would not think of invading at weekends..........
tut
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:13 am
by Rich H
Or after 5 or before 8 or on a bank holiday.
Basically if they want to invade we would require at least 2 weeks notice
However if you need an airliner shooting down, we can do that in around 9 minutes

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:20 am
by tut
Pretty good at hitting each other in mid air as well, and of course scaring the fcuk out of helicopters.
Our biggest worry on taking off from Aberdeen or North Deanes were Tornados, or Jaguars in the early days, hurtling accross our flight paths at 100-1,000ft, radios on the wrong channel, whilst some spotty faced 18 year old not long out of Cranwell checked to see how fast his new toy could go.
tut
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:24 am
by Rich H
They still do that alot. A mate of mine from Basic trg has just come through the conversion course. I am leaving the RAF he hasn't even finished his trg yet!
We haven't bumped into anything recently, but we did throw one into the sea not long back as well as tested the standby undercarriage (Skyflash launchers)
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:07 pm
by tut
Remember it from last year, off St Andrews. Was it an F3?
tut
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:05 pm
by Rich H
Yep, 9 miles off shore, maintenance error by 43 Sqn. Bad news. Pilot broke his leg pax broke his collar bone. Both ok now.
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:27 pm
by tut
You have to depend on your engineers, and 99.9% of the time they get it right, you just have to hope that somebody else is flying the aircraft when they get it wrong.
tut
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:34 pm
by Rich H
It was a flap switch, tells the flight computers where the flaps were. Stupid design meant it could be fitted upside down. Computer thought flaps were up on take off, no problem, the pilot just moved the stick more to get the required movement as the control authority is limited while at low speed with flaps up. He then brought his flaps up but the computor thought they were down, you get alot more control authority with flaps down. He makes a gentle turn, aircraft banks too much, he corrects but his controls are amplified so masively overcorrects. Low alt, low speed, only one option. Supposedly if he had stayed with it it was flyable, but no one blames him in the slightest. The guy in the back was a techie on a sight-seeing trip....
Now we have a whole load more checks on that system, no one thought it would ever be a problem.
Rich
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:47 am
by tut
That is the problem with one offs, where you happen to be when it occurs.
I had a tail rotor come off in '66, bearing was undersized and re-engineered, but of course too late for me.
tut
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:57 am
by mckeann
it takes more than a couple of seconds to establish what is happening at your controls is different to what your computer instruments are telling you and to how it has reacted the previous 1000 times.
Thats why i hate the idea of drive by wire in cars. i like simple mechanical things. complicated electronics are the bane of my life at work
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:31 am
by tut
Fortunately they are taking action in F1 either next year or 2008, and getting rid of a lot of the electronics.
I believe Schumacher is 1-2 secs slower around a circuit with traction control turned off, even in the dry, then they have launch control, brake bias adjustement and lord knows what else. The steering wheel costs more than a road Ferrari.
Personally I would like to see them go back to a gearlever and clutch, but that will never happen.
tut