Scottish Elises

Well that's put an industrial sized spanner in Alex's plans........ the refinery could be next.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24631342

Does'nt the ape work there?

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tut wrote:Does'nt the ape work there?

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Yup

Sad news but not unexpected after the events over the last week or so.

I hope a buyer can be found and the closure is averted.

Does Ape work in the petro side, or the refinery though? From what I've read, the refinery keeps going but the petrochemical treatment plant closes.

Shug wrote:Does Ape work in the petro side, or the refinery though? From what I've read, the refinery keeps going but the petrochemical treatment plant closes.

Refinery will stay open for now.
The closure of the chemicals side is a bigger can of worms than most people probably realise. It has implications for the entire UK, I can't believe the government have allowed it to come to this.

flyingscot68 wrote:

Shug wrote:Does Ape work in the petro side, or the refinery though? From what I've read, the refinery keeps going but the petrochemical treatment plant closes.

Refinery will stay open for now.
The closure of the chemicals side is a bigger can of worms than most people probably realise. It has implications for the entire UK, I can't believe the government have allowed it to come to this.

I don't think it's got anything to do with the government! Union versus Private Company.

RDH wrote:I don't think it's got anything to do with the government! Union versus Private Company.

You would think so but it has far reaching implications, you only need to look at the next story on the BBC news :-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-24635281

'Chemical sales drive export growth'

'The data shows that refined petrol and chemicals account for nearly a quarter of manufactured goods sold to the rest of the world.'

'"These latest figures reinforce continued global demand for Scottish products, particularly those within the engineering, textiles, chemical and pharmaceutical sectors.'

Wee 'Ecks baw is about to burst - game over

But who's to blame - hard-nosed multinational who isn't willing to pump more money into a non-profitable asset, and are using an existing dispute to alter employment terms, or unrealistic unions who won't accept that changes need to made to ensure survival..

Sounds in some ways like the debt crisis going on in the US government last week where neither would give any ground, and nearly ended in disaster, except in this case both of them lose, with the employee's the ones who suffer the most..

RDH wrote:I don't think it's got anything to do with the government! Union versus Private Company.

It has everything to do with government as it's closure is a major financial disaster for the economy, not just of Scotland.

Surely depends on the cost to every UK individual should it close compared to the cost to every individual should the government keep it open.

I only have what I see or read of the dispute to go by, but surprised that the workers would vote themselves out of a job in the present economic conditions, as opposed to seeing it through until things improve.

If there is a genuine worry about safety standards, then that is a different ball game, and though I do not know the details of the Pensions dispute, a large percentage of the UK workforce have been hit by diminishing Pension Funds, especially with most firms scrapping the final salary scheme.

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flyingscot68 wrote:

RDH wrote:I don't think it's got anything to do with the government! Union versus Private Company.

It has everything to do with government as it's closure is a major financial disaster for the economy, not just of Scotland.

Ok, to clarify, the government haven't interfered as it was the unions negotiating with a private company. Why should a private co continue to operate at a £10m loss per month? So it wasn't the government "letting" it happen IYSWIM
Ineos need to make radical restructures to cut costs.
I'm not saying it won't have an impact, just that it's neither fat 'eck or Cameron's fault.

It's ok, Len McClusky's job is safe, right?

I get the impression Ineos are being a bit creative with their figures. £10 million a month loss is hard to believe. Interesting read on it here - http://wingsoverscotland.com/grangemout ... -as-known/