Views on Independence.

[tut]

Did anybody listen to it?

Very passionate and I was impressed with how he concentrated on the great things that a United Kingdom have achieved together and can be proud of, as opposed to the economical issues. This would be very much diluted if we went our separate ways, which is hard to argue against.

The words Great Britain are recognised throughout the World, but they become less Great if they do not include Scotland.

tut

[Mikie711]

That is the problem though isn't it, everything is in the past and the world has changed. The UK is now more fragmented than ever before. Scotland wants to break away, London and the SE is already, and has been for some considerable time, an entirely separate entity within the country.
Times they have a changed.

[Gareth]

Scotland wants to break away,.

Hold up...fat Salmond and his wee dug want to. Time will tell if Scotland wants to.
It's just not fcuk financially viable and any clown that think it is needs their head checked.

God Save The Queen!!

[pete]

It's just not financially viable.

I've not seen anyone mature claiming it's not financially viable. Even the No campaigners numbers showed that it would work.

But it won't go through.

There's no need to worry.

(Cameron's speech on the bbc reported with Sturgeon's response then Tessa Jowell supporting Cameron. One in favour and two against. Leaving aside which side of the fence you are on is that really balance? ).

[woody]

It's just not financially viable.

I've not seen anyone mature claiming it's not financially viable. Even the No campaigners numbers showed that it would work.

But it won't go through.

There's no need to worry.

(Cameron's speech on the bbc reported with Sturgeon's response then Tessa Jowell supporting Cameron. One in favour and two against. Leaving aside which side of the fence you are on is that really balance? ).

Is it any different to what they do with the Nats? The speech is the news story and they have used 1 from each view point comment.

[sendmyusername]

personally i think the sums do add up, and no, i don't need my head checked.
cameron is onto a loser if he tried to win an audience in scotland, they just don't do tory up here. so i don't blame him for announcing it down south. although launching a stop scotland leaving debate in london seems a ironic.
only the yes campain have bothered their arse to inform the public their plans in the event of a yes vote. the NO campain have refused to give any information. that shows complete contempt to the electorate. they are planning on dropping the investment in scotland by £4B
they claimed that the shortfall in the budget had a £30B shortfall, then a month later it was £11B then two weeks later it was only £2B ? with this sort of accounting, how can you honestly say that you can trust their sums ?
if this had been the yes campains figures, the debate would already be over.
next year the uk plans to borrow another £120B scotlands share of that would be £18B. so therefore if we take independence, we are actually £16B better off.
scotland has a pension timebomb ?
firstly have you read the bbc story about that today ?
how can our pension timebomb be worse than the rest of the uk ?
we like fried everything, no vegtables, and lots of binge drinking.
our life expectancy is 74, 15 years lower than the rest of the uk.
i was a hung voter, but all i have heard from the no campain is lie after lie, and it's pissed me off that they think we are that stupid, and gullible.

if things had carried on as they were before, it would have been ok, but now we have gone down this route so far, if we don't take it, we will be royally humped to tech us a lesson.

[Mikie711]

Scotland wants to break away,.

Hold up...fat Salmond and his wee dug want to. Time will tell if Scotland wants to.
It's just not fcuk financially viable and any clown that think it is needs their head checked.

God Save The Queen!!

Not financially viable!!! that's the one thing that nobody is arguing about anymore as it has been proved time and again that it is.

This is the problem with the independence debate, to many people are making assumptions and not using facts or just regurgitate information they heard down the pub and take it as being factual.
Few take the time to find out the other POV and make up there own mind.

[j2 lot]

' SNP leader Alex Salmond branded Mr Cameron a "big feartie" for not agreeing to a debate with him.'

It would be a good deabte if thats his level - 'my Dads bigger than your Dad'

[Rosssco]

' SNP leader Alex Salmond branded Mr Cameron a "big feartie" for not agreeing to a debate with him.'

It would be a good deabte if thats his level - 'my Dads bigger than your Dad'

Exactly. Typical 'Salmondism' trying to relate to the lowest common denominator and using more "Scottish" words

As for financially viable, yes it is. There's lots of things I could do that are finacially viable, but they wouldn't really make much sense or leave me or any potential sprogs / family / friends any better off.. For many nationalists that doesn't really matter too much, as their over-riding aim is for independance, even though the current plan proposed by the SNP is, in my opinion, a cobbled together "lets make it fit" amalgamation of some interesting aspects of independance, with other down right stupid promises and "hopes" for the future, most of which don't stand up to scrutiny from those who actually know what they are talking about.

I will vote NO, not just because I am Scottish and British, and any benefits I believe will be marginal at most (e.g. lets lower business rates! Brilliant! Next year, rUK has.. lower business rates! Square one), but that the current SNP proposal is ill-thought out in their rush to be the party that "free's" Scotland.. If they took more time to put a more cohesive and honest plan together for the Scottish people, I might pay more attention to it, but the SNP want to push this now incase they loose seats in future elections and thus their mandate for the proposal.

I suppose some will vote Yes due to disallusionment with the current Westminster political system, and others simply because they "don't like Tories"..

[Rosssco]

Times they have a changed.

I agree times have changed Mike, but I don't agree that the hopes and desires, way of doing things, culture etc. across both Scotland and rUK has really diverged at all.. In fact it's probably closer that it's ever been. Hence the idea of effectively installing barriers (not physical of course) and pigeon-holing us into different camps is a somewhat outdated way of doing things. Like it or not, the future for nations will be in amalgamation and sharing of resources and reduction in barriers (I know, sounds a bit management speak).

[Mikie711]

Small countries with fast reacting Government work much better than large bloated slow moving countries like the UK. Iceland and Eire recovered from the crash quicker and were in much bigger trouble than the UK. Small countries just perform way better than large in todays world stage. What would change with regard to hopes, desires, ways of doing things and culture ?
We are talking about changing our political system not who we are. It's just a change of management.

[Lazydonkey]

The sums make work on a day to day basis after separation but has anyone actually predicted how much the separation will cost?

If i said i could save you £10 a month if you gave me a cheque you'd first want to know how big the cheque was......

[Mikie711]

Times they have a changed.

Like it or not, the future for nations will be in amalgamation and sharing of resources and reduction in barriers (I know, sounds a bit management speak).

This I disagree with, the OECD country wealth by GDP shows exactly the opposite.

Mr Boag originally posted this on FB but for those that haven't seen it it's worth a watch.

Watch on YouTube

[Scotty C]

[j2 lot]

It's just a change of management.

...the management that ran the Scottish Parliament and Trams projects, they were both on time & under budge..... mmhhh