Pushing a plane

Anything goes in here.....
Post Reply
PartTimer
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:47 pm
Location: Inverness

Pushing a plane

Post by PartTimer » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:03 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazin ... r-30235844

From the article.

The physics relates to something called moments (force x perpendicular distance). It turns out that the passengers - whether they knew it or not - did just the right thing by pushing the wings. Because there was a large distance between the wings and the wheels it gave the people pushing greater leverage. "It's the principle of the spanner - the longer the spanner the less force you have to apply in order to shift the nut," Andrews says. Once the wheels unlocked, the friction would have melted the grease. Then the tow truck took over. So the passengers' version is feasible, he says. But the same probably wouldn't work with a bigger plane. The wings of a Boeing 747 or Airbus would be higher and probably out of reach, he says.

I get this for a turning force. Anyone who has removed a wheel knows this. But the passengers are pushing both wings at the same time so surely this is complete nonsense. Next time my Elise breaks down, I should clearly push it at the edges rather than the middle of the car!

User avatar
Dominic
Posts: 14417
Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:14 am
Location: Milton Of Campsie
Contact:

Re: Pushing a plane

Post by Dominic » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:15 pm

Makes no sense to me - there is nothing pivoting, so leverage is irrelevant surely?
http://www.dsaccountancy.com

1999 Lotus Elise Sport 135'99

User avatar
mckeann
Posts: 5370
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:20 am
Location: Bo'ness

Re: Pushing a plane

Post by mckeann » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:26 pm

Pushing on one wing at a time to try and rotate the plane, and turn the outside wheel???? Then repeat on other side??

User avatar
alicrozier
Posts: 4371
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:58 pm
Location: Aberdeen

Re: Pushing a plane

Post by alicrozier » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:11 pm

:withstupid
All characters appearing in this post are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
Any references to laptimes, speed or driving on the public highway are purely for dramatic effect.

PartTimer
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:47 pm
Location: Inverness

Re: Pushing a plane

Post by PartTimer » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:17 pm

Indeed pushing each wing in turn would work to free the wheels. The photo is unclear, but it looks like they are pushing both wings at once to me.

User avatar
steve_weegie
Posts: 3245
Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:40 am
Location: Nessieland

Re: Pushing a plane

Post by steve_weegie » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:21 pm

Bear in mind the frozen wheel is going to pivot on the axel bearing. I suspect this worked because the force applied at the wing was contained both a horizontal and vertical moment, and the resultant vector force applied as a torque around the axel pivot point was suffucuent to release the siezed brake.

Or I could be talking complete bollocks here.
Audi RS6
Porsche 997 C2S
Audi Q7
Nissan NV400
Leyland Atlantean Double-Decker Bus
Kawasaki ZX-10R
Triumph Sprint ST

tenkfeet
Posts: 2338
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:02 pm
Location: Glasgow

Re: Pushing a plane

Post by tenkfeet » Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:38 pm

If you have ever read anything in the media that you have actually known about its normally complete rubbish and made up. Probably just stuck to the tarmac and tug was slipping or knackered.

Its not that hard to push a plane of that size, bit of rocking and once it gets going its hard to stop. Bit tricky on snow right enough.
No lotus
Exige Sport 350 (Sold)
Elise Cup 250 (Air con and radio tubby spec) (Sold)
Evora S (sold)

Post Reply