2030 - No more new ICE

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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by tonyg » Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:23 pm

rossybee wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:04 pm
Here's why the current situation won't work in ten years, when you have idiots like this :damnfunny

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/ ... cv-HxRgAwM
I think you'll find that isn't uncommon and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Was watching onc car show (possibly fifth gear).

Couple took six hours to get from Yorkshire to London due to the same problems as that two had.
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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by campbell » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:33 pm

From the Guardian article:

“To really help the revolution get to full power before 2030 we need a concerted effort from local authorities”

Ha. Therein lies one major hurdle.
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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by rawsco » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:39 pm

I think this was bold move from Falkirk
https://www.falkirk.gov.uk/news/article.aspx?aid=6615
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Post by campbell » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:38 pm

A good effort. Liking that.

Was wondering why I hadn’t noticed it. Then remembered. Rarely been allowed out the county this year innit

Folks could charge up while they watch Falkirk FC work their magic!
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Post by Mikie711 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:20 am

neil wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:46 pm
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:39 pm
Octopus Agile, Neil feel free to sign up with my link well each get 50 quid ;-).

Http://share.octopus.energy/ivory-crane-557

I’ve absolutely demolished my bills with Agile with a little minor modifications to lifestyle but nothing daft.

The Tesla hasn’t arrived yet but pre Agile I was paying about 100-120 a month for leccy (have a hot tub) and about 30-40 for gas,

I’m now using basically nothing for gas as use the heat pump when leccy is cheap and flip to gas when leccy is dear 4-7 but it rarely comes on then, or the weather conditions mean the pump isn’t efficient enough, the heating works that out based on the prices (although not to 30min intervals but I’m working on that)

So back to bills I’m now down to less than a tenner for gas and 75 for leccy almost halfed my bills

All I needed to do was configure the heating, and hot tub to only heat when it’s cheap and use timers on appliances.

I plan on using some solution like IFTTT to fart about with the car charging pretty sure there are apps for that but I might just have a go at making something myself in an AWS account
I'm very tempted but will need to do some sums as their gas rates 25% higher than our current one and we get through a lot of gas at the moment. We're also getting through lots of leccy though so it might work out better.

What sort of heat pump have you got? I maybe need to look at something like that to get the gas bill down.

I've been having a play around with the app from www.ifttt.com which seems pretty idiot proof. So far I've added geofencing onto the central heating but it looks like it'd be easy enough to switch things like heaters based on the energy price.
Neil there is no way you can make a heat pump pay. They all run low temp heating systems and rely on the heat loss in the property to be quite low. In your gaff the pump would be running almost constantly and your elecy bill would be through the roof. Our winter month bills can be £300 if it gets real cold and windy, ours isn't optimised yet as we still lose to much heat through 1/3 of the house that we haven't finished yet but you get my drift. That all said your RHI payment would have been huge if they hadn't gone and capped it.
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Post by Mikie711 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:23 am

Going forward the gas network will shortly start the switch to 20% hydrogen mix, start of a planned faze out of NG. Apparently the majority of modern condensing gas boilers can be quite easily converted with and injector/burner change. Who pays for that, well I think you guess the answer but green ain't cheap.
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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by Scotty C » Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:53 am

https://jameshalljoineryltd.co.uk/jhj-insulations-4/

Neil

If you want to look at Insulation, my builder is an Icynene installer. we have just had our whole house done. You might be able to get a £10k interest free loan to do it as well.

They inject into the walls from the inside so no ripping plasterboard off.

Our house will be almost passive, not bad considering 50% of it is old granite.
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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by neil » Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:53 pm

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Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:20 am
Neil there is no way you can make a heat pump pay. They all run low temp heating systems and rely on the heat loss in the property to be quite low. In your gaff the pump would be running almost constantly and your elecy bill would be through the roof. Our winter month bills can be £300 if it gets real cold and windy, ours isn't optimised yet as we still lose to much heat through 1/3 of the house that we haven't finished yet but you get my drift. That all said your RHI payment would have been huge if they hadn't gone and capped it.
I presume they capped the RHI to avoid people like me raking it in. After seeing the Agile tariff I'd wondered about running a GSHP with a thermal store and just turning the heat pump off during the peak hours and running with the heat from the thermal store - that way you could get the unit costs under 10p/kWh. Could also connect the gas boiler to the heat store to top things up if required. I take your point though, probably not ideal for my place unless I can get it far better insulated.
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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by neil » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:13 pm

Scotty C wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:53 am
https://jameshalljoineryltd.co.uk/jhj-insulations-4/

Neil

If you want to look at Insulation, my builder is an Icynene installer. we have just had our whole house done. You might be able to get a £10k interest free loan to do it as well.

They inject into the walls from the inside so no ripping plasterboard off.

Our house will be almost passive, not bad considering 50% of it is old granite.
That looks good. If they're injecting it does that mean you end up with no air gap up the inside of the granite? I thought you needed to keep an air gap to prevent damp.
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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by Scotty C » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:16 pm

neil wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:13 pm
Scotty C wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:53 am
https://jameshalljoineryltd.co.uk/jhj-insulations-4/

Neil

If you want to look at Insulation, my builder is an Icynene installer. we have just had our whole house done. You might be able to get a £10k interest free loan to do it as well.

They inject into the walls from the inside so no ripping plasterboard off.

Our house will be almost passive, not bad considering 50% of it is old granite.
That looks good. If they're injecting it does that mean you end up with no air gap up the inside of the granite? I thought you needed to keep an air gap to prevent damp.
it breaths. look up incynene. they are doing loads of old houses, castles etc.
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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by neil » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:21 pm

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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by scott_e » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:17 am

Spotted this article and thought it may of interest in rergards to this thread:

".... the motoring organisation is proposing a system of "Road Miles" in which motorists are allowed to drive free of charge for 3,000 miles (4,000 in rural areas) before they start paying."

I kind of like that idea to be honest, currently do about 3000 miles pa in one car. Guess it needs to be electric powered however.

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"Electric cars will leave hole in tax revenues"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55358100

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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by tonyg » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:21 pm

scott_e wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:17 am
Spotted this article and thought it may of interest in rergards to this thread:

".... the motoring organisation is proposing a system of "Road Miles" in which motorists are allowed to drive free of charge for 3,000 miles (4,000 in rural areas) before they start paying."

I kind of like that idea to be honest, currently do about 3000 miles pa in one car. Guess it needs to be electric powered however.

Ref
"Electric cars will leave hole in tax revenues"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55358100
Like that's going to work with however many untaxed/insured vehicles there are out there.
Also all the exemptions for company cars also.
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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by scott_e » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:18 am

Was thinking about that too but maybe its a simple as using the miles logged on the odo during the mot and billing on that basis. No tech required. Granted no MOT no road tax bill.

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Re: 2030 - No more new ICE

Post by cjm » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:04 am

pshanks76 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:52 pm

Then there's the home charging issue - great if you have a driveway but so many people, especially in cities, don't have a driveway or even a dedicated street parking space, so for them home charging is impossible unless they install a lot of on-street Infrastructure.
I see that as being one of the main issues. It's fine if you have a drive and can charge your car each evening, but what percentage of cars in Glasgow or Edinburgh or any other city are parked on the street? How do you charge your car when it is parked one street away and you are several floors up?
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