CR and stuff (FALC)

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CR and stuff (FALC)

Post by Rich H » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:26 pm

Hey guys, I'm posting this on here as I know you will take the piss, but will not dismiss my crazed ideas without some sort of debate. The UK owners aren't really clever enough and the US ones just moan about use the search with brings up more threads saying use the search...

I am about to embark on another (doubtless expensive) exciting adventure with the Porker. This time an engine...

I have sourced a 924 Turbo head, and I plan to add it to another block (When I can find one) and add a fast road cam. The ultimate in 924 N/A is the plan with second hand parts and no budget...

Problem is that will drop the CR from a healthy 9.5:1 to around 7.5:1. Not much cop. So to fix that I plan to deck the block to get it back to standard CR. This may seem a little drastic, but as the N/A head is totally flat and the Combustion chamber is the top of the bore its not as bad as it sounds. The turbo head has a combustion chamber in the head as well as massive valves ports and so on.

The question is this, bearing in mind I have EFI and Wasted spark running, should I go for the minimum skim of 3.6mm to get back to 9.5:1 or should I squeeze the tolerances and go for a bit more CR? I can maybe get away with 10:1 or 10.5:1 if I'm lucky. Would it be worth the risk or close tolernaces? The engine would probalby still be non-interferance (Just) but that is the tolerance I am playing with. I really need to get hold of both a block and the head to find out for sure.

Clearly by decking the block so far the combustion chamber dynamics are going to be bunk anyway also the turbo head normally runs with turbo pistons which are an off shape too.

the final plan is to codge up ITBs from bike throttles with really long runners if possible and chop up a 944 manifold to make a 4-2-1 exhaust. But that will probably never happen... :lol:
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Re: CR and stuff (FALC)

Post by BiggestNizzy » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:23 pm

NOOPS 160 wrote:Yes your right Rich :lol: its a crazed idea....... :)
Bonkers and I love it all the more for it :thumbsup

but i have nothing constructive to say :(
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Re: CR and stuff (FALC)

Post by steve_weegie » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:29 pm

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Post by RDH » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:40 pm

steve_weegie wrote:Image

Thinking caps on please gentlemen......
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Re: CR and stuff (FALC)

Post by steve_weegie » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:13 pm

RDH wrote:
Steve - is that you with hair?
Not quite, I've never had a beard :D Oh, and when i had hair, i had rather a lot of it ;)
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Re: CR and stuff (FALC)

Post by Rich H » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:19 pm

:roll: :damnfunny
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Re: CR and stuff (FALC)

Post by steve_weegie » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:29 pm

Rich, do you know how porsche raised the c/r originally? My solution would of course be to fit a dirty great rotrex supercharger to it, and solve all your problems in one go :D

If you dont go the rotrex route ( :cry: ) I dont see any reason to stick to a 9.5 c/r since you've got efi and petrol is good these days. I might not go straight to 11, but stick at 10.5 - that way if you need to skim the head, you've still got a bit of leeway.

Do you know how close the pistons will run to the top of the block if you take a chunk out of it?
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Re: CR and stuff (FALC)

Post by Rich H » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:39 pm

The theory says the pistons currently run 6mm from the top of the block.
The Porsche engine I am taking a lead from was overbored to 2.3 and had mad custom pistons.
I don't want the overbore and I'm not paying for pistons.... I also don't want to fit a supercharger.
That is not quite true as obviously I do want a super charger but I can't as I am not allowed... :lol:

The valves are reportedly recessed 5mm so taking 4.5 mm off the block would actually give a bit more clearance on the valves, but the valves are larger. Until I get my greasy hands on a short block (Proving tricky) I won't know for sure. The head should arrive in the next couple of days and the cam next week.

10:1 would be nice but I think that the actual clearance will dictate the skim.

The cambelt, manifolds (In and out) the cam pulley and the itbs are still "Magic happens here" :lol: :D
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