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Re: Panic

Post by mckeann » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:31 pm

Shug wrote:It's no scam - if you have AA P&L, it's what you got it for... Okay - if you don't have it yet, it's cheeky, but still no scam.


it IS a scam if you take it out knowing you have a broken car, then wait 14 days to claim. Theres something in the T&C's about it. so IT IS a scam.

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Re: Panic

Post by robin » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:42 pm

It would be best to measure the liner stand proud, then inspect the head for obvious damage (liner indentation, pitting, etc.) and then, only if it looks OK, hardness test the head before committing to any further expense.

The only place I know that does a proper hardness test is DVA (http://www.dvapower.com) - Dave uses a Leeb rebound tester (which is non-destructive) to measure the hardness in all the important places. He's in Milton Keynes though, so it means stripping the head and sending it away, which costs time and some money (not a lot).

On the plus side, you can then also get him to peen the fire rings and skim the head at the same time, if skimming is required.

A lot of places will simply not give you this option - they'll want to remove the head, skim no matter what, won't bother (or even understand how) to measure the liner heights and then slap the same head back on with the MLS gasket and a so-called "head saver" shim. If the liners are wrong or the head is soft, you will get HGF again, but you can have your car back on the road in 48 hours or so.

It's entirely up to you which route you take, based on your priorities. If it were me, I would take the slow route, but I don't need my car every day (or ever, actually ;-)).

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Re: Panic

Post by roadboy » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:48 pm

If its a straightforward headgasket job and the belts don't need doing then its gonna be ~£400. If the head is soft or needs skimmed or if there are any other underlying issues it could cost up to ~£750 but I can't think of a scenario where it would cost more than that. PRRT is probably worth doing while the head is off as access is much easier, for what it costs. Wouldn't do it any other time unless there was a specific reason.

Dave Andrews is not the only person who can do head hardness tests and anyone can peen the fire rings and skim the head, as long as they know what they are doing. It is definitely worth taking it to a specialist as any old garage who knows how to do a rover HG will just do as Robin says and just clash the thing back together.

It is important to understand why the head gasket has failed and rectify the issues but that doesn't necessarily mean you will be without your car for weeks and weeks. A proper job can still be done in 3 days tops.

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Re: Panic

Post by Shug » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:11 pm

mckeann wrote:
Shug wrote:It's no scam - if you have AA P&L, it's what you got it for... Okay - if you don't have it yet, it's cheeky, but still no scam.


it IS a scam if you take it out knowing you have a broken car, then wait 14 days to claim. Theres something in the T&C's about it. so IT IS a scam.
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Re: Panic

Post by puffin » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:22 pm

roadboy wrote:It is important to understand why the head gasket has failed and rectify the issues but that doesn't necessarily mean you will be without your car for weeks and weeks. A proper job can still be done in 3 days tops.
So who's best to go to for this?
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Re: Panic

Post by r055 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:39 pm

Ali @ SLS - Edinburgh
Dan @ ?? - newcastle/ teeside?
MMC - Edinburgh
Dreadnought?? - never used them but heard good-ish reviews
Hypertech - had my car there a few times - Duncan the owner is a good guy

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Re: Panic

Post by Shug » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:55 pm

Heard positive reviews of Falkland in Glenrothes as well.

Negatives as well, of course - as with most others.
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Re: Panic

Post by robin » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:59 pm

roadboy wrote:
Dave Andrews is not the only person who can do head hardness tests and anyone can peen the fire rings and skim the head, as long as they know what they are doing. It is definitely worth taking it to a specialist as any old garage who knows how to do a rover HG will just do as Robin says and just clash the thing back together.
Hi Dan, who else does it with a Leeb-type tester? Clearly many places can do it with the normal rockwell type tester, but what's the point - you cannot test near the fire rings 'cos you wreck the head in the process ... Would be keen to find someone more local to do hardness testing if possible, hence the question.

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Re: Panic

Post by roadboy » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:36 pm

Robin,

I use a small engineering company in Newcastle that have a Leeb-type tester. Costs £35 for each head.

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Re: Panic

Post by roadboy » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:37 pm

r055 wrote:Ali @ SLS - Edinburgh
Dan @ SPS Automotive - County Durham
MMC - Edinburgh
Dreadnought?? - never used them but heard good-ish reviews
Hypertech - had my car there a few times - Duncan the owner is a good guy

These are in no particular order as I dont want to start a fight! :wink: :lol:
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Re: Panic

Post by robin » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:25 pm

roadboy wrote:Robin,

I use a small engineering company in Newcastle that have a Leeb-type tester. Costs £35 for each head.

Dan
Excellent - can you post a contact at some point, if you're happy to share?

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Re: Panic

Post by Gourlay83 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:55 pm

robin wrote:
roadboy wrote:Robin,

I use a small engineering company in Newcastle that have a Leeb-type tester. Costs £35 for each head.

Dan
Excellent - can you post a contact at some point, if you're happy to share?

Cheers,
Robin
There is a company in Falkrik called JEM Engineering i used to use them pretty regular. I am not sure if they did it or sub con'd it out.

If your interested speak to a guy called Peter.

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Re: Panic

Post by r055 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:47 pm

roadboy wrote: Dan @ SPS Automotive - County Durham
dan, whats the situation with your place at the moment?
I know you're no longer at jps... you start yourself?
where in durham? anywhere near shotley bridge?
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Re: Panic

Post by j2 lot » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:17 am

r055 wrote:where in durham? anywhere near shotley bridge?
Off topic -
Ross, Shotley Bridge is where I was brought up and my old dear still lives there- most people have never heard of it. Keith
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Re: Panic

Post by r055 » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:21 am

j2 lot wrote:
r055 wrote:where in durham? anywhere near shotley bridge?
Off topic -
Ross, Shotley Bridge is where I was brought up and my old dear still lives there- most people have never heard of it. Keith
my brother lives there Keith. Nice little place :thumbsup
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