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Post by Stewart » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:23 pm

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote: Are you around next weekend? 12-13th Aug? Mini spanners and sponges perhaps? Ball joints were quire straight forward really, once I had the right joints..

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Could be up for that. I may even have the car back on it's wheels by then :D
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Post by Rich H » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:30 pm

Let me know :wink:

Do you have a garage we could use? I use the car park wich is fine for 2 weeks a year...
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Post by Stewart » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:04 pm

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:Let me know :wink:

Do you have a garage we could use? I use the car park wich is fine for 2 weeks a year...
Yep, a very small one but then again the elise is very small - which is handy :D
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Post by Shug » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:05 pm

bernie_eccle wrote:
RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:Let me know :wink:

Do you have a garage we could use? I use the car park wich is fine for 2 weeks a year...
Yep, a very small one but then again the elise is very small - which is handy :D
Which is scarily similar to a response I gave a girl when questioned about the phallic dimensional relationship betwixt car and owner..... :oops:
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Post by GregR » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:51 pm

Shug wrote: Which is scarily similar to a response I gave a girl when questioned about the phallic dimensional relationship betwixt car and owner..... :oops:
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I don't know what I'm laughing at more, the phallus reference, or the fact Shug said, "betwixt!"
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Post by Stewart » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:37 pm

Ever wish you hadn't started something? Well, with the hub & carrier off, I headed to my brother's work to try and replace the bearing.

We managed to get the old one out with a wee bit of heat and quite a bit of brute force. Then came fitting the new one. It had been in the freezer for a few hours and we carefully heated the hub carrier a wee bit. We placed the bottom circlip in first and then started to push in the new bearing. More correctly, my brother tried driving it in gently with a bit of pipe and a hammer as he was certin that this was the way to go. I wasn't convinced, thinking that a press was the way to go, but he felt that the presses that they use are too big (I am sure he is right as it is all stuff for the oil industry they make).

Long story short, we b*ggared the bearing as it seemed to go in slightly squint and jumped the circlip on the rear. It looked like it was recoverable as the seal on the rear had come off the bearing, but it got worse the more we mucked about with it.

I have just got home (after a couple of hours) with the alloy hub carrier and steel hub separate. The nackered bearing is also out.

I now need to source a new bearing (another £37) and decie what to do next. My brother is keen to now have another shot, but this time with a press. As you can imagine, I am a wee bit reluctant to go down this route and am currently considering contacting Falkland Performance centre to see if, and how much they would charge to press in the new bearing.

I can see how the bearing can be pushed in, but what I can't quite work out is how you then press in the actual steel hub with out damaging the bearing. Any ideas or tips?

Having seen what I have now, I would definitley say that this isn't a job for the amateur. I now have real reservations about how easy or otherwise it will be to do the ball joints, even with an Elise Part tool.

What is really peeing me off is that I am on holiday this week and had hoped to do some miles. Lucky I have the trusty mondeo :)
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Post by roadboy » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:12 am

It is possible to get the wheel bearing into an alloy upright without a press but its much easier to do it with. You seem to have the procedure right, its probably just the execution of it that went slightly wrong.

Bearing in the freezer, get the upright nice and hot ( I tend to stand it in front of the space heater for a couple of minutes) and then knock it in as quick as you can. Its the speed that's critical as the upright cools down very quickly when it comes into contact with the bearing.

When inserting the hub, you need to support the middle part of the bearing to stop the hub pushing the second half of the bearing out as it goes in. A large socket normally does the trick.

Its not the easiest of DIY jobs and one that is sometimes easier (and less painful) just to pay an expert to do it for you.

And don't think its easy with a press, especially with alloy uprights. You still have to get the upright hot and the bearing freezing cold to avoid doing damage to the upright when using a press.

Ball joints really are easy with the Eliseparts tool. An absolute nightmare without it. I would not recommend removing the wishbones. its not fun. And make sure you get the right balljoints.

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Post by Rich H » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:10 am

Got a reply from QH they say they had a small number of incorrectly labled joints :roll: I'd still check them all though!

Good luck with the bearings...

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