Where's my coolant gone

meatball · Post by **meatball** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:07 pm

hehe

If it makes it 2 the summer the next moves are 111r the maybe rob a bank or 2 for an exige s.......

Ah well there is always someone else worse off........

Out of curiosity what is regarded as the best elise about?
Obviosly a matter of opinion....

meatball · Post by **meatball** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:11 pm

please educate me....honda s1.....s1 with honda engine??????

If so wot engine?

meatball · Post by **meatball** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:37 pm

nice....maybe even try it with s2000 variant of the engine......hmmmmm

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:26 pm

Audi would be my choice....hmm torque

Actually I would prefer an RX7 Wankel lump, hmmm smooth power...

Might fail emissions a bit though....

robin · Post by **robin** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:55 pm

I don't think the S2000 variant will work without major surgery (it lives at the wrong end of the car and points the wrong way!).

I wouldn't swap a 111S for a 111R - it's not a big enough difference to be worth the cost and the 111R isn't without it's woes either.

The best elise around? Mine!!

I have owned most types of Elise and what I haven't owned I have driven on track.

What differences there are come down to what you hope to use the car for ... if your car worked, would you be using it for road use/touring or for track or what?

Cheers,
Robin

meatball · Post by **meatball** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:15 pm

The car will be used for a bit of everything but has to be able to be used day to day.

Hmmm, not driven 111r but the stats look good.......toyota= bulletproof?

Stu160 · Post by **Stu160** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:45 pm

meatball wrote:The car will be used for a bit of everything but has to be able to be used day to day.

Hmmm, not driven 111r but the stats look good.......toyota= bulletproof?

No

If you plan to track the car,no engine is bulletproof,it all comes down to how much they cost to fix,or in the case of the K,replace

For a day to day use with the odd track day,a standard car is the best option,perhaps a VVC ,nice power,but also good manners.

As Robin said ,the 135R is the best alrounder if you want to track it,problems around 20-30,000 miles are common with the engine though(so I have been told) The engines were not "run in",just sat on a rolling road to make sure they made 135BHP,so start up from new,and a power run..........Not good.That story could be crap though.

Stu

Stu160 · Post by **Stu160** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:45 pm

meatball wrote:The car will be used for a bit of everything but has to be able to be used day to day.

Hmmm, not driven 111r but the stats look good.......toyota= bulletproof?

robin · Post by **robin** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:02 pm

meatball wrote: Hmmm, not driven 111r but the stats look good.......toyota= bulletproof?

The non-engine part of the car is the same as yours, 99% anyway, so you will still get rattles, leaks, broken fans, indicator lamps that fall out and whatever other amusing idiosyncracies these cars seem to have.

The engine part is lovely on the road, "banzai cam" good for overtaking (but not actually required!) and I would say unless you are trying to go well beyond the sensible, the 111R is going to be no quicker on the road than the 111S or even the original S1 120BHP car.

On track, the 111R should be a bit quicker (closer gear ratios, an extra ~20-30BHP across the usable rev range), but if you're not careful you drop out of "banzai cam" mode all too easily and then you get hit with a time penalty as the mechanism appears to cycle - costs about half a second each time it happens - can be mitigated by reflashing ECU to lower RPM at which cam change occurs.

On track the 111R engine can be broken by overrevving. Overrevving is a direct result of trying to combat the above. It's very expensive to repair.

On track the 111R can also suffer from oil starvation, though provided you keep an eye on oil levels, this won't happen at Knockhill as there aren't any long enough high-G corners.

The 111R is also a bit heavier than the 111S, though not that significant until you're counting 1/10ths of a second I think.

Stu160 wrote: As Robin said ,the 135R is the best alrounder if you want to track it,problems around 20-30,000 miles are common with the engine though(so I have been told) The engines were not "run in",just sat on a rolling road to make sure they made 135BHP,so start up from new,and a power run..........Not good.That story could be crap though.

I was joking a bit - had forgotten my car was 135R - now that you mention it, it is of course the best

TBH, the 135R suspension is probably a little firm for extended road use - the standard S2 suspension is better for an all rounder I think.

I would be very surprised if Lotus ran each 135R on a rolling road before sending them back to the customer (it would cost time and money).

However, you're right that factory produced 135's do seem to suffer more failures than standard cars.

Cheers,
Robin

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:08 am

meatball wrote:toyota= bulletproof?

Ask AndyG

MacK · Post by **MacK** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:40 am

robin wrote:The fan cut in point is somewhere between 96-100 on S2's (a bit depends on exact calibration of sensors and displays, etc., but more-or-less). So you would expect the display to read between 96-100 when stationary once the engine is hot.

Service manual says fan cut-in is between 103 & 105 Deg C, my fan seems to cut -in at 102 Deg C.

meatball · Post by **meatball** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:51 pm

New radiator on order....hopefully all sorted for good on mon or tue......courtesy car included (europa or exige s.....excellent!)........MMC at Edinbuger isn't as bad as every1 says........GR has looked after me quite well......big goodwill budget now gone.......or maybe I'm just a lot bigger than him.....lol

Hmmm will put thought in2 next car.......will see how mine runs for a while.....

by the way......for everyday use wot pressure do u guys keep ur tires?
In PSI please...

cheers again guys

robin · Post by **robin** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:17 pm

MacK wrote: Service manual says fan cut-in is between 103 & 105 Deg C, my fan seems to cut -in at 102 Deg C.

Indicated 102 might be any actual temperature; the ECU might switch the fan on at any old temperature too - you just cannot tell from the information you have, unless you have measured it using something reliable. The manual is also no doubt completely wrong

I'll set up a calibrated thermocouple to measure the temperature properly and see where mine cuts in, but even then it won't be the same on any two cars because the temp sender is never the same on two cars.

Cheers,
Robin

gorrie · Post by **gorrie** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:30 pm

Yep... Graham has been pretty good with us also.

Still waiting on the V5 to come through from the purchase in mid-January. Some kinda admin error somewhere I think, but I think he's doing all he can to ensure it's here for the end of this month (as my tax runs out and I've booked/paid a hotel in Aberdeen for a trip away in the Lotus over Easter specifically).

But hey... if he's giving away free Exiges... I'll keep that in mind in case it comes to it

Good luck.