Why don't I like Honda K20's

[KingK_series]

really? - and how about the post and pic you posted on seloc of one of your Hondas [judiciously cropped] on your bathroom scales at 115kg?

you do make me laugh...

this is said picture (totally un-cropped and un-edited):

yes and that's not correct for a complete engine either - is it?


however even that is not 15 kg different over a stock K at 84.5kg - is it?

[philthy]

Watch on YouTube

[Scuffers]

however even that is not 15 kg different over a stock K at 84.5kg - is it?

*********!

when have I ever said it was?

Look, I know reading is not one of your strong points, but can you at least try?

[Scotty C]

sorry have i missed something.

You have never built one K series that is fitted into an elise never mind one thats done lets say 10k miles and half a dozen trakdays driven by weekend wanabe racing driver.

Come back when you have proof please.

PS if that Honda weights so much i would be wearing steel toecaps not Hi-tech squash trainers

[Dipper]

sorry have i missed something.

You have never built one K series that is fitted into an elise never mind one thats done lets say 10k miles and half a dozen trakdays driven by weekend wanabe racing driver.

Come back when you have proof please.

PS if that Honda weights so much i would be wearing steel toecaps not Hi-tech squash trainers

I thought it was just me that had missed that point somewhere along the line! Is that genuinely the case? No king k engines in Loti out there at all?

[KingK_series]

sorry have i missed something.

You have never built one K series that is fitted into an elise never mind one thats done lets say 10k miles and half a dozen trakdays driven by weekend wanabe racing driver.

Come back when you have proof please.

PS if that Honda weights so much i would be wearing steel toecaps not Hi-tech squash trainers

yes I have.....

and a stock K20 engine alone is 43kg heavier than a stock K, there is more wt too in the box + ancillaries............

so make the same non engine mods to a car with a K as with a K20 conversion - ie exhaust etc you are always going to add 50 odd kg doing a honda conversion and that's a lot to make up. -

[Scuffers]

yes I have.....

and a stock K20 engine alone is 43kg heavier than a stock K, there is more wt too in the box + ancillaries............

so make the same non engine mods to a car with a K as with a K20 conversion - ie exhaust etc you are always going to add 50 odd kg doing a honda conversion and that's a lot to make up. -

as has been asked must be 1000+ times before, who's and where are they now?

and will you stop bleating on about +50Kg's, you know full well that's complete tosh.

[KingK_series]

sorry have i missed something.

You have never built one K series that is fitted into an elise never mind one thats done lets say 10k miles and half a dozen trakdays driven by weekend wanabe racing driver.

Come back when you have proof please.

PS if that Honda weights so much i would be wearing steel toecaps not Hi-tech squash trainers

I thought it was just me that had missed that point somewhere along the line! Is that genuinely the case? No king k engines in Loti out there at all?

yes - scotty missed the point

there are 5 KingK engines in Lotus's now, that is to say engines with my cams, valves, dry sumps, exhausts etc etc etc

there are another 6 going into cars this year

there is one KingK in a Caterham

then there are 11 engines which I do not call KingK because they use commercially available parts , ie REC valves Piper cams etc etc running around with one more going together for Stu this year, that mostly have the build of what I call a KingK engine.

and then development work on a new K16, wet sumped, plenum based engine [developing new cam, exhaust and plenum] and a turbo hillclimb engine for late this year or early next. If there was to be c commercial enginne it would be the former of these latter two - when they are all done, and KingK is rewritten, a website is setup, you will hear from all the owners -

- till then this IS a technical thread about the K20 not about any future plans which I may or may not have...

[KingK_series]

yes I have.....

and a stock K20 engine alone is 43kg heavier than a stock K, there is more wt too in the box + ancillaries............

so make the same non engine mods to a car with a K as with a K20 conversion - ie exhaust etc you are always going to add 50 odd kg doing a honda conversion and that's a lot to make up. -

and will you stop bleating on about +50Kg's, you know full well that's complete tosh.

- oh no it's not and you know it! there is 42kg difference between just the two [stock] engines!

[KingK_series]

And for what it is worth, Stu should have late summer a new engine on a plenum, so not a big engine running for all on SE to run against with your hondas, take pax's in or maybe if Stu is up for it drive - that includes you Neil -

[Scuffers]

yes I have.....

and a stock K20 engine alone is 43kg heavier than a stock K, there is more wt too in the box + ancillaries............

so make the same non engine mods to a car with a K as with a K20 conversion - ie exhaust etc you are always going to add 50 odd kg doing a honda conversion and that's a lot to make up. -

and will you stop bleating on about +50Kg's, you know full well that's complete tosh.

- oh no it's not and you know it! there is 42kg difference between just the two [stock] engines!

you do realise that fly's in the face of your own post on this? don't you?

[KingK_series]

you do realise that fly's in the face of your own post on this? don't you?

the truth is I have had 5 blown K20's out of Elises here for a while, but all incomplete, so was dependent on others for weights, now I have definitive data.

- and you know there is 43kg difference just between stock engines alone, and 50odd in the install - engine, box and ancillaries

one of my drysumped engines installs is 60odd kg lighter than your NA Honda............. and that ain't something Colin Chapman would ever approve of....

[Scuffers]

the truth is I have had 5 blown K20's out of Elises here for a while, but all incomplete, so was dependent on others for weights, now I have definitive data.

no, the truth is that after 10+ years, you still have not got a clue.

Oh, and How is Mark Boles engine these days

[KingK_series]

the truth is I have had 5 blown K20's out of Elises here for a while, but all incomplete, so was dependent on others for weights, now I have definitive data.

no, the truth is that after 10+ years, you still have not got a clue.

Oh, and How is Mark Boles engine these days

running beautifully, 217.7bhp and 153.5lbft on the same mild hydraulic cam.

and far better for being switched onto an Omex and sequential fueling and ignition, though still not properly mapped with the new ecu, after 11,000 track miles,

[KingK_series]

but you are still avoiding the issue -

- are you going to concede that just bare engine wt, there is 43kg difference between a sock honda lump and a stock K?