Project V6 Elise

[OlberJ]

Hmmm, i hear what you're saying and it would be good to know before and after weights for comparison.

My only issue with that is that people tend to think their car is lighter than it actually is to begin with, they look at the book weights and pick the lightest for their revision IME.

Unless you all have weighed your standard cars?

If you remove the engine and gearbox, whatever make it is, from an S2, you'll end up with the same weight shell? (ignoring different wheels)

So what you want to be able to say is, a 1MZFE V6 in an S2 weighs..xxx.

Get what i mean?

[r10crw]

I think the problem is that the shells (as you put it) differ greatly. Some S2 have extra insulation, dufferent types of moulding were used to create the clams, some have extras such as elctric windows carpets etc. Ive heard of standard S2 weights differing by aound 50Kg.
Really the only way is to weigh everything thats been removed and subsequently added.

[roadboy]

As Craig says, no two Elises weigh exactly the same.

That's why you need to know how much weight the conversion adds rather than just the weight afterwards.

There are so many variables in weight;

Stereo
Speakers
Brakes
Sound deadening
Electric windows
Air-con
Carpets
Wheels
Tyres
Exhaust
Seats
etc, etc.

That's why the only accurate thing to measure is before and after weights on the same car with no other changes.

I would think the balance will be affected by the 1MZ-FE and it will probably feel similar to a 211 in that respect but I doubt most people would notice. Particularly on the road.

Dan

[Woodsport]

Post #1 updated.

[Kev]

I'll organise getting it weighed when I get it back, worse case it'll be at the local weighbridge which is calibrated to +/- 20kgs

[campbell]

There would be some value in getting the advice / opinion of one of the suspension experts once you have had it weighed. Sadly the weighbridge won't tell you front-rear distrib, although we can take a guess at that once you have a figure!

I think Hoffmans, whoever they are, do custom Nitron setups and would probably have a suggestion or two on any sensible tweaks?

But of course all our tame racing drivers will have their 2p as well, if you can sift through it all

Ultimately, the proof is simply in the driving isn't it. If it feels good on road and track, then you're sorted. If it doesn't, then take your time in working out the planned solution so that you don't just throw money at it...

[alicrozier]

Did I read the dampers are upgraded? Are they height adjustable?

If so I'd be tempted to get it corner weighted. Although nothing to suggest it will be radically different from a normal elise...

[campbell]

If so I'd be tempted to get it corner weighted.

Now that's what i was meaning to say

[Kev]

Did I read the dampers are upgraded? Are they height adjustable?

If so I'd be tempted to get it corner weighted. Although nothing to suggest it will be radically different from a normal elise...

Yeah I fitted a set of Nitron Street Series shocks last year just before my head gasket went. My main plan is to get it booked into Clarks Motorsport in Kintore, as it's in desperate need of a geo check. so will ask for the full works and get it corner weighted as well

[campbell]

What adjustment do the Nitron Streets offer? If they have adjustable platforms, then I believe corner-weighting is good to go. If not, then you are stuck with them as they are.

[tut]

As Craig says, no two Elises weigh exactly the same.

That's why you need to know how much weight the conversion adds rather than just the weight afterwards.

There are so many variables in weight;

Stereo
Speakers
Brakes
Sound deadening
Electric windows
Air-con
Carpets
Wheels
Tyres
Exhaust
Seats
etc, etc.

That's why the only accurate thing to measure is before and after weights on the same car with no other changes.

I would think the balance will be affected by the 1MZ-FE and it will probably feel similar to a 211 in that respect but I doubt most people would notice. Particularly on the road.

Dan

I would expect N1 and N3 to be virtually identical in weight both before and after Honda, both converted by BLiNK , as they are '96 cars and there was only one option in those days. N3 may be slightly heavier with the S/C.

They are twins in respect of MMC discs, Nitrons, original wheels, exhausts, etc.

tut

[Kev]

What adjustment do the Nitron Streets offer? If they have adjustable platforms, then I believe corner-weighting is good to go. If not, then you are stuck with them as they are.

Yeah they've got adjustable platforms and also an adjuster that alters both bump and rebound damping.

[campbell]

Ideal. Worst case, there is probably a slightly stronger spring rate that could be inserted in the rear if the weight balance changes a great deal. Wasn't aware of the features of Street Series but at least you have options

[Woodsport]

Post #1 updated

[Scotty C]

What adjustment do the Nitron Streets offer? If they have adjustable platforms, then I believe corner-weighting is good to go. If not, then you are stuck with them as they are.

Yeah they've got adjustable platforms and also an adjuster that alters both bump and rebound damping.

at least you should be able to put on stronger springs if need be.