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That's not right.

Post by pete » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:54 pm

Inspired by Graeme I've just taken off my shocks, one of which was leaking to change them over.

I think I may have found the source of the rattling from the back (beyond the shock), the rear driver's side brake line seems to run through a metal cover as it passes from the wishbone (?) to turn and run up the inside of the wheel to the rear caliper. The metal sleeve it runs though is chafing against the bottom of the shock/spring assembly, and the line itself has been rubbing against something, probably the wheel.

They are braided hoses so there doesn't appear to be any damage to the hose itself but the sleeve it runs through has suffered a bit of wear as has the rubber bit it goes through prior to entering the sleeve. I think this may have been one of the noises I have been hearing...

Do you think cable ties will hold it in place in future?

Only one nut rounded and one of the bolts sheared (yes I am that strong). Does anyone know if they just M10 bolts?

(And I did it on my own!! That's impressive for me!)
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Re: That's not right.

Post by BiggestNizzy » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:06 pm

The bolts are a specfic strength but I think I have some, you will have to replace the nyloc nuts (may have them too)
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Post by woody » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:40 pm

I'll have something Pete. Not familaiar with the S2 K set-up there, would be an advantage if you could post a pic so I can get my hands on the specific parts needed. :thumbsup

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Post by robin » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:58 am

Aa before, the correct parts from Lotus will be pennies. These bolts hold your car up - buy a complete set and replace them all.

Post a picture of your current brake line routing? If this one isn't quite right, it makes sense to check all four ...

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Post by woody » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:02 pm

robin wrote:Aa before, the correct parts from Lotus will be pennies. These bolts hold your car up - buy a complete set and replace them all.

Post a picture of your current brake line routing? If this one isn't quite right, it makes sense to check all four ...

Cheers,
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Ah. I never quite read to the end of the post. What I meant was that I'll have P-clips and the attaching hardware to go with them somewhere for the brake line, not the sheared/rounded bolts.

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Post by pete » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:32 pm

robin wrote:Aa before, the correct parts from Lotus will be pennies. These bolts hold your car up - buy a complete set and replace them all.

Post a picture of your current brake line routing? If this one isn't quite right, it makes sense to check all four ...

Cheers,
Robin
Once again you are clearly right, and next time I will buy all the bolts before I start the job rather than when the car is up on stands and Mrs Pete is starting making noises about getting the garage back, and more specifically shifting our muddy mountain bikes back into the garage and out of the pool room...
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Post by pete » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:49 pm

I think the P clip has been put on wrong, and perhaps hastily. I've loosened it but the pipe has now bent to follow that path so I think I'll cable tie it firmly in place with the p clip loose then re-tighten it.
I think it was probably done at the same time the braided hoses were fitted, by a garage I don't use anymore.

the second picture is the other side and how it should look. (incidentally the wetness in the first picture is fluid from the shock, not brake fluid. I hope.

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Re: That's not right.

Post by Shug » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:01 pm

That's your handbrake cable mate...
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Post by Rich H » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:10 pm

Looks like it needs attention too :thumbsup
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Post by pete » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:10 pm

Shug wrote:That's your handbrake cable mate...

Oh. Thanks.

Oh well it' a learning curve.

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Re: That's not right.

Post by robin » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:01 pm

Quality!

It's worth checking your brake line routing while you are in there, though.

The problem with these P-clips is that as you tighten up the nut that holds them to the threaded stud on the wishbone, when the nut gets tight, the whole P-clip starts to rotate. You should loosen them, position to match the cable's path, then clamp them in place with a pair of grips or similar bodge whilst tightening them. A well greased washer under the lock nut won't hurt either (assuming there's enough thread exposed to be able to get the washer on).

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Post by pete » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:41 pm

robin wrote:Quality!

It's worth checking your brake line routing while you are in there, though.

The problem with these P-clips is that as you tighten up the nut that holds them to the threaded stud on the wishbone, when the nut gets tight, the whole P-clip starts to rotate. You should loosen them, position to match the cable's path, then clamp them in place with a pair of grips or similar bodge whilst tightening them. A well greased washer under the lock nut won't hurt either (assuming there's enough thread exposed to be able to get the washer on).

Cheers,
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Cheers Robin I've cable tied it on, that bad boy is going nowhere. I've also re-assembled my motor car and am currently basking in the glow of a job well done*.

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*Although not actually finished as I haven't got the bolts to re-attach the shocks so I've re-attached it with a bolt I found in my local garage's bin** so I can push it out of the way to let Nizzy use the garage tomorrow. Old WIgan saying, "If a job's worth doing it's worth half doing."

**Don't get the wrong idea, he knew I was going through the bin. He switched the springs over for me, reluctantly***. Going through the bin was his idea.

***Apparently they were to small to fit in his compressor. He was quite rude. I think it brought back a bad experience he'd had once with undersized suspension parts from some kit car.

I realise that was an unconventional number of footnotes but for some reason I thought that telling you about my day would somehow repay the advice. Is anyone still reading?
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Re: That's not right.

Post by Shug » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:56 pm

:shock: :tired :damnfunny

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Re: That's not right.

Post by woody » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:36 pm

Shug wrote:That's your handbrake cable mate...
It did cross my mind. :lol: :thumbsup

As above, the standard P clips are rubbish, and on an S1 anyway, are too large and made from a ferrous material. I've fitted a pair of high quality items, bent them up to better clear the wheel and bound the cable sheath with RTV tape where it has chaffed.

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Post by pete » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:43 am

woody wrote:
Shug wrote:That's your handbrake cable mate...
It did cross my mind. :lol: :thumbsup

As above, the standard P clips are rubbish, and on an S1 anyway, are too large and made from a ferrous material. I've fitted a pair of high quality items, bent them up to better clear the wheel and bound the cable sheath with RTV tape where it has chaffed.

What is RTV tape?

Some of my clips have been replaced already with stainless items (in a fit of enthusiasm) but I think those are the ones that hold the proper brake lines on.

Thanks for the suggestions,

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