Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

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Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by Rich H » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:35 pm

Hey all,

I've been helping to rebuild a mates 924 Turbo and it's all back together now but we are a bit stuck...

It's had a total engine rebuild with new bearings, rings and honed bores to it smokes a bit as it's not run in yet.
It runs sweetly otherwise and the emmissions are spot on: 1.5% CO and 100 ppm HC (Limit is 4% CO and 1200 ppm HC) but it smokes on accel - enough to fail it's MOT apparently....

Now we can't run it in until it's road legal and can't get road legal until it's run in... :roll:

Any ideas for a quick fix to get it through an MOT?

I was thinking an oil addative to thicken the oil pass an MOT then swap the oil out.

Help!

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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by robin » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:56 pm

Find the rules on exhaust smoke content for the age of car it is and then work out whether there is anything subjective about their interpretation, then challenge the result (or take it somewhere else).

For it to fail an MOT on smoke makes me think it's burning tooooo much oil even if it has been rebuilt!

If it is borderline and you cannot argue your way into it being a pass then thicker oil might help (are you using a running in semi-synthetic or full mineral oil?).

Maybe jam the wastegate open on the turbo? This will reduce cylinder pressure which might help ... though if it smokes on acceleration you have to wonder if the oil is not coming from the turbo in the first place.

Normal run in procedure is to rev engine in a comfortable range going from wide open to shut throttle without reaching high revs or putting the engine under a lot of load (asking for lots of torque). The point here is to create lots of cylinder pressure for brief periods (run with throttle wide open) to force rings out to try to bed in to bore, then create a big vacuum (snap throttle shut with reasonable RPM) to draw oil up the bores to help lubricate the "cutting" process. So even though you cannot run it on the road, you can probably do some running in with the car on axle stands, top gear so you spin up the wheels in the air - that's still a fair bit of load on the engine and hopefully enough momentum in the drivetrain to pull the vacuum when you snap throttle shut.

Or you could build two big paddle wheels and attach to the road wheels and run in two old baths of water paddle steamer style - come on Rich, this is surely a project for you ... you could pretend it's a dyno :-) Seriously you could sweet talk somewhere that has a rolling road to letting you run the car in on the rolling road; provided you book it in for "engine smoke check and fix" and then you only drive it home->rolling road->MOT->home (if it still fails), you should be OK with the law.

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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by j2 lot » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:21 pm

Ferris Bueller springs to mind here :blackeye
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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by Rich H » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:11 pm

:lol: Sounds dangerous!

The rules say dense smoke, it's not, there is just a blue haze with a slightly denser haze on accel, I don't think its anything serious.
It's currently runnign Halfords 20W50 mineral for running in.

Thanks for the running in tip, it's been standing for 2 years so I'm not concerned about a bit of fug, it blew its HG in a big way 2 years since and filled the exhaust with coolant. Pete removed the exhaust but neglected to tell me he hadn't emptied it... Queue clouds and clouds of steam!

It's been running for a matter of a few minutes each time so really needs running under load.

He's been to 2 MOT stations and they have both been monkeys, first one wouldn't look at it properly and charged him for basically doing nothing and the second place has failed on a bit of blue smoke. I'll see if there is a more friendly option.

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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by Sanjøy » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:53 am

Case of lager in the passenger seat?
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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by Rich H » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:56 am

:lol: I'll suggest it!
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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by philthy » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:35 am

What about booking a few mot tests in remote areas and take the car for a nice long drive?
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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by Rich H » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:10 am

Was thinking about that but it's hard to jsutify driving past all the MOT stations in Southport!
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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by scottishselise » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:17 am

Be imaginative, go a different route. :)

Unlikely anything would happen if you are booked in anyway.

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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by Rich H » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:29 am

I'll suggest it.
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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by thinfourth » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:50 pm

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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by Rich H » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:29 pm

:lol: It's been suggested...
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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by offshorematt » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:43 pm

Surely if you have a test booked at the closest station for say, a weeks time, then the rules say it's okay to use the car in the meantime? Or have I just imagined that 'workaround'?

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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by robin » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:49 pm

You have imagined that. You're allowed to drive to a test station and then to a place of repair if it fails, but you must have an appointment booked at the test station.

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P.S. You must also take the shortest route to the test station; no doubt your average traffic cop will interpret that as shortest reasonable route, but a detour via wales probably won't be allowed ....
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Re: Engine needs bedding in but can't pass MOT? FALC

Post by offshorematt » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:55 pm

Whoops. I'd better start booking MOTs before the last one expires instead then rather than taking the expiry date as an aide memoir then :)

I guess this comes under the same faulted logic that says you can't be arrested by a policeman without a hat on... ;)

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