Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by KingK_series » Wed May 01, 2013 12:25 am

mikeyb13 wrote:Sounds like a very sensible plan for such a mint car. Good luck to you.
Honda works for me and Stu has driven my car so I'm sure he will be able to give an expert comparison better than any graph :thumbsup

However I hope you get to drive it too - to compare for yourself....

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by campbell » Wed May 01, 2013 12:57 am

Scuffers wrote:here we go ...
Read the start of the thread. The OP has set some goals. No guarantees have been made. Progress is to be charted publicly. Give it a chance.
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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by Scuffers » Wed May 01, 2013 7:02 am

campbell wrote:
Scuffers wrote:here we go ...
Read the start of the thread. The OP has set some goals. No guarantees have been made. Progress is to be charted publicly. Give it a chance.
I can read thank you.
KingK_series wrote:OK

Time to come at this from the other direction. - following the recent honda conversion thread, it seems some still think the honda is a cost effective reliable and genuine 220bhp option that the K series cannot match on all 3 points.

So time to prove that wrong.

This therefore will be a blog on a build of a Sport 160 engine to beat the honda conversion
on cost,
on weight in the car [by50/60kg[
on reliability
and gonna try and get it as near or better for power and torque as I can to your average 220bhp, 155lbft Honda K20 on stock cams.

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by scottishselise » Wed May 01, 2013 7:28 am

Look forward to updates kingK, looks like a great project.

Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by campbell » Wed May 01, 2013 8:40 am

"Gonna try" is what he said, Scuffers.

I'm prepared to let him, with good grace.
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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by Scuffers » Wed May 01, 2013 9:16 am

So, what we are saying then is that the only measurable comparison that can be made does not count?

The other targets are far from fixed, for a variety of reasons, and will all end up being fudged

Bookmarked to ref back to in 6 months.

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by robin » Wed May 01, 2013 9:53 am

The torque/power of the resulting engine should be measured and documented, so it will be on record, so I think your question will then be answered, even if KingK's criteria for success might be somewhat different/wider than this.

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by campbell » Wed May 01, 2013 10:27 am

Scuffers wrote:So, what we are saying then is that the only measurable comparison that can be made does not count?

The other targets are far from fixed, for a variety of reasons, and will all end up being fudged

Bookmarked to ref back to in 6 months.
Comparisons can and hopefully will be made. How much they "count" is really rather up to each individual, isn't it.

I'm not sure that a target is "fudged"...more likely the measuring of its achievement (or otherwise). But my understanding on that aspect is that a neutral rolling road is going to be used. And presumably you could both put a car onto the same set of scales at some point too.

By all means return in 6 months.
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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by KingK_series » Wed May 01, 2013 1:47 pm

robin wrote:The torque/power of the resulting engine should be measured and documented, so it will be on record, so I think your question will then be answered, even if KingK's criteria for success might be somewhat different/wider than this.

Cheers,
Robin

Thankyou Robin, as perceptive as ever.

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by KingK_series » Wed May 01, 2013 1:48 pm

Scuffers wrote:So, what we are saying then is that the only measurable comparison that can be made does not count?

The other targets are far from fixed, for a variety of reasons, and will all end up being fudged

Bookmarked to ref back to in 6 months.

I hop he'll be back posting within the week


- that would be great - I really really want you on this Scuffers, just as long as you stay away from all the personal abuse.
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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by KingK_series » Wed May 01, 2013 1:52 pm

campbell wrote:
Scuffers wrote:So, what we are saying then is that the only measurable comparison that can be made does not count?

The other targets are far from fixed, for a variety of reasons, and will all end up being fudged

Bookmarked to ref back to in 6 months.
Comparisons can and hopefully will be made. How much they "count" is really rather up to each individual, isn't it.

I'm not sure that a target is "fudged"...more likely the measuring of its achievement (or otherwise). But my understanding on that aspect is that a neutral rolling road is going to be used. And presumably you could both put a car onto the same set of scales at some point too.

By all means return in 6 months.

Thankyou Campbell I really appreciate the moderation going on here, but also the fact that people do read what I have written from the off and are prepared to actually post to point that up.

Thankyou
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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by KingK_series » Wed May 01, 2013 1:56 pm

campbell wrote:"Gonna try" is what he said, Scuffers.

I'm prepared to let him, with good grace.

ok

I need to be able to post pics and My keyboard has lost one of its parentheses, so I need to replace the keyboard

hopefully get that sorted this week

THEN I'll post up with some pics but also some reasoning on where the limitations actually are in this spec of engine vis a vis power/torque result - pretty flow diagrams on their way

BUT ALSO how I can try and get around them

excuse lack of fully functioning keyboard for a couple of days...

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by campbell » Wed May 01, 2013 3:06 pm

LOL, of all the mechanical failures to suffer at the first hurdle ;-)

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by KingK_series » Wed May 01, 2013 3:30 pm

campbell wrote:LOL, of all the mechanical failures to suffer at the first hurdle ;-)

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True!

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Re: Building a K 160 Sport engine to beat a Honda...

Post by philthy » Wed May 01, 2013 4:00 pm

eh could you not just copy and paste with the mouse?
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