K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

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K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

Post by KevD » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:44 am

HI,

I had a quick search and read a few threads but couldnt find anything identical and don't have enough mechanical knowledge to figure it out on my own.

I'm looking at a MG ZT as a winter shed. It's on 60,000 miles and seems to be well looked after with good service record including the head gasket being replaced with the updated (MLS i think) one in November 2010 @ 49k miles. I haven't seen the paperwork yet but it cost approx £900 apparently so I'd hope it was carried out correctly. I'll check and see the liner heights were checked and if there was a head hardness test carried out.

I asked if it had any issues since with the temperature or similar symptoms. About 12 months after that it apparently suffered a scare with the temperature spiking again. The owner took it to his mechanic who stated it was vital that the coolant level was checked weekly and topped up when required due to the expansion chamber on the car being too small. The owner has since been checking it and topping up when required, which is once a month on average apparently. He says that its not had temperature issues since.

Coolant is obviously getting lost somewhere, is this likely to be through the head gasket? The temperature spike is a concern but it hasn't been repeated and it's not losing all its coolant so it suggests something like a leaking hose/connection. Am I worrying about nothing? I plan on checking under the filler cap for mayo and checking the condition of the hoses and clips ( without mucking about too much with someone elses car) anything else I should be checking in person?

Heading over to Edinburgh to see the car on sunday. The private seller has been pretty honest about things and it seems to be well looked after, particularly as it's in shed budget. Not the worlds greatest car but suits our needs and if I can get a car with a sorted K then at least I've got a spare for the elise :-)

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Re: K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

Post by Stu160 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:44 am

When you say its needing topped up, is it totally emptying the header tank, or just going below the min.?

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Post by KevD » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:02 pm

He says he's not sure if it drops suddenly or gradually but he has to check regularly. It doesn't empty but needs topping up more than he thinks it should. Oil levels are fine.

more info

"Information on the receipt from 25 November 2010:

Strip cylinder head
Send to engineering shop to be skimmed and pressure tested and exhaust valves and seat recut
Fit new oil stem seals
Rebuild with new head gasket and bolts, flush out oil system and refill with new oil
Replace antifreeze and renew spark plugs
Reflush out oil system and refill with new oil
Test OK
Total £896.65"


He didn't say who did the work.

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Re: K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

Post by hiscot » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:54 pm

The ZT is a great car ( I had a diesel version ) however you may find a 1.8 without the turbo a bit on the slow and thirsty side for such a heavy car
regarding the coolent leak maybe the inlet manifold ? easy job to do even a head gasket change is a not a problem as long as the engine has not been cooked
but maybe the first gasket change had this leak fault all along ie hose or heater matrex
I got a freelander last year that the owner had been topping up daily but of course come winter it had no antifreeze hence frozen water pump = belt slip and bounced valves , I sorted the engine only to find it also still wanted toping up ( heater matrex ) and to be honest for what the car cost me , and what its worth ,I just chucked in a bars leak it's been fine for over a year
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Re: K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

Post by robin » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:06 pm

Also the expansion bottle cap can fail. It's cheap to replace - or you can check the bottle for snail trails of coolant (though if he's topping up a lot, this could be misleading, depending on how steady his hand is). I would just replace it and see what happens.

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Post by hiscot » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:22 pm

robin wrote:Also the expansion bottle cap can fail. It's cheap to replace - or you can check the bottle for snail trails of coolant (though if he's topping up a lot, this could be misleading, depending on how steady his hand is). I would just replace it and see what happens.

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Yep got a relation with a mgtf , it had a head gasket twice ( first one still boiled as did the second ) before she got an independent guy to look at it , she went off to make him a cup a tea , came out with it and he was on the doorstep with a cap in his hand All fixed !
two head gaskets and one garage saying those k series are crap yet all along , it was a 3 quid cap
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K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

Post by ceejam » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:30 pm

The ZT has a different cap from all other K series Rovers, my Dad's just bought a ZT-T 190 and replaced the seals on the expansion tank cap - £4 from good old eBay ;)

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Post by KevD » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:17 am

SE at it's best - coming up with a list of wee cheap things to check before assuming its the big expensive fix! Thanks for the info, I'll check it over and also feel a bit more confident it won't evaporate as soon as I drive it away. ZT's seem very good for the money, diesel one would be better but the only one I've seen is double the price and might be too much of a stretch. Looking at a volvo c70 as well so hopefully get to drive them both today.

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Post by Stu160 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:50 am

You could also try Steel Seal, it does work for this kind of thing.

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Post by KevD » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:33 pm

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Purchased :-)

Volvo was a bit too much of a shed, it needed loads of wee things done. The MG is in great condition overall. Whack of service data including timing belt and HG repairs and its been enthusiast owned. It's got a le mans sticker on the back so I'll need to get a trip organised rather try and remove the sticker.

Needs two rear tyres but I was going to get winters anyway - didnt' realise it was 18" though, 225 45 18 isn't the cheapest!

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Post by Stu160 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:39 pm

:thumbsup

Oponeo is good for tyres just now, just got a set for the v70, 245 45 18, Nokians for £130 each.

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Re: K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

Post by mwmackenzie » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:18 am

Just pop 225/40/18 on it as they are a common cheap size :D 235/40/18 will have same circumference and are standard size on Audi VW 18's so also readily available and possible cheapeer??? Also with Syu on Oponeo, cheapest on the net I could find in the past too. Good luck and hope you enjoy your new winter hack! :thumbsup
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Re: K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

Post by hiscot » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:43 am

They are a good car , its the bmw sourced parts that give problems
tyre wise the rears always wear before the fronts , I tried quite a lot of different brand tyres and found fedral ss555 where about the best for cheap and ok just a bit noisy but good grip and last well
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Post by KevD » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:50 pm

Cheers, I'm really impressed with it so far. Fingers crossed it stays that way!
It seems well finished and isn't that slow for a normal car ( compared to the golf SDI my old work gave me it's sharp as a tack)

Ordered Khumo KW27's @ £98 each in the normal size, other sizes were the same price. Now thinking of keeping it longer, should have seen that coming! :o I thought about pre-worn winters but most of them would be nearly finished by time we're likely to sell it on, this way they'll either last us longer if we keep the car or be one less thing to haggle while selling it. My dad's run KW27's on his jag and BMW for a few years now and never had any problems so should cope with a mighty 120bhp front wheel drive MG!

I'll keep an eye on the coolant and maybe replace the header tank cap and try from steal seal / rad weld or similar.

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Re: K series MG ZT requires coolant top up regularly

Post by gorrie » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:25 pm

Owned a couple of the v6 models... Decent cars for the money, and quite chuckable for the size.
My mk1 was better built than my mk2 though.
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