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3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:01 am
by StiflerMR2
This popped up on my twitter, interesting idea, could be an alternative for anyone looking to swap out the K series:

http://www.hangar111.com/lotus/toyota-3 ... onversion/

Not exactly cheap however!

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:45 am
by Corranga
That is quite interesting, actually, I'm surprised that they have gone through all the development for that considering how popular Honda conversions are, and how unpopular (in comparison) Zetec and Audi conversions are.

I wonder what mods are required to the subframe - is the idea that it could be returned to standard fairly easily?

£10k would buy a lot of K-Series, I'd assume half of that would easily buy a K-Series in advance of 160hp, and reliable.. 6 months warranty isn't exactly long either for your £10k spend, and how much power can a PG1 gearbox take (supercharger kits to follow).

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:29 am
by tut
Just do not see the point. The Honda is so well established, same price if dealer installed, virtually unburstable, 220hp as standard, 300 with S/C, 345 with CC.

Do it the way that Craig did copying my fitting kit and it is less than half of that.

tut

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:53 am
by Mikie711
That price is for a professional install with some warranty using a brand new crate engine modified by the supplier. If you want to compare then it has to be like for like.
So, full honda install by supplier/builder, buying everything from them and it would be at least the same price, probably more. Similarly for a K series modified to 160bhp and supplied and fitted as a new engine ready to drive away again a very similar price if they managed to find a new crate engine in the first place.

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:40 am
by tut
My N1 conversion had a new JDM engine fitted, but that was a special deal.

N3 also but I did not pay for that.

tut

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:41 am
by robin
Agreed, I actually don't think it's that bad a price for somebody considering their options with a knackered K-series.

Cheers,
Robin

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:48 am
by woody
tut wrote:My N1 conversion had a new JDM engine fitted, but that was a special deal.

N3 also but I did not pay for that.

tut
K20s were in production then. I imagine they're not now as Honda no longer fit them I think (Ariel must have a few stashed though?).

Looks like the engine Lotus themselves should be using for the base car just now IMHO.

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:57 pm
by Scotty C
tut wrote:My N1 conversion had a new JDM engine fitted, but that was a special deal.

N3 also but I did not pay for that.

tut
Simon Oakley is selling his 420 Honda S1 if your interested Tut.

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Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:19 pm
by tut
Not looking good for insurance for N3 at the moment.

tut

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:08 pm
by campbell
I'm told K series are still avail new. (Calum at CMC)

Interesting development above though.

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:46 pm
by campbell
Dodgy Dave may be in the market.

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:16 pm
by woody
campbell wrote:Dodgy Dave may be in the market.

Again?!

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:44 pm
by campbell
Bit of a coolant weep here on Frolic.

But we begin our journey north tomorrow, with Craig in tow, so it'll all be grand :-)

A few splitters have gone to Monaco ;-)

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:36 am
by robin
I suspect it's too rich for DDtB's purse ;-) You can buy 10 sheds, rip the engines out and put into your elise for the same money. Of course you swap one knackered K for another, but it seems cheap at the time :-) Also, knowing Dave I would guess he would want to see a lot more ponies where he to shell out that many, err, ponies ...

Cheers,
Robin

Re: 3ZR Engines for S1's

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:05 am
by tut
Scotty C wrote:
tut wrote:My N1 conversion had a new JDM engine fitted, but that was a special deal.

N3 also but I did not pay for that.

tut
Simon Oakley is selling his 420 Honda S1 if your interested Tut.

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Is it advertised anywhere Scotty, would like to see the spec?

tut