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How to fit 4-2-1 manifold when engine is still in place ...

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:25 pm
by robin
It seems like a bit of a chinese puzzle - I am sure there is a way, but I cannot quite see what that way is ... I have the cylinder head removed, so plenty of clearance, but whether I attack from top or bottom I cannot the pipe in :-(

Anyone on here fitted one and know how to do it? (S2 elise, though pretty sure it would be almost identical problem on S1 elise).

Cheers,
Robin

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:50 pm
by tut
Robin

Almost certain that it is from underneath, in fact just quickly phoned Scuffers.

Unbolt right hand engine mount and underneath steady bar, move engine a bit, and that will give clearance off the studs.

tut

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:00 pm
by Bob vanM
I think oil filter off as well ?

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:01 pm
by Gareth
What you up to Robin?? :)

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:53 pm
by robin
I'm not fitting an exhaust manifold ;-)

Cheers Tut.

Bob - I wondered about that - scunner really 'cos I just fitted a new filter which will need to go in the bin - ho hum ...

Robin

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:45 am
by Michael
Hi robin...why does the filter need to be binned...?

Do you want the Rad back perchance? Coffee table potential mostly....

Cheers, Mike

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:12 am
by Rich H
Been there done that.... Pig isn't it :wink: Mine was heat wrapped too, covered in sharp wire and fiberglass! :shock:

I got it in from below with alot of fiddling and swearing. Disconnect the bottom engine mount (If you havent already) and keep on wiggling. Mine would have been slightly easier as my coolant pipe runs over the top of the manifold. Took a couple of hours just to get fitted properly.

When you do get it in then for gods sake find someone to hold it while you get the nuts on. It is highly frustrating on your own as the weight of it makes it swing away from the head and come off the studs..... :protest

Something you might want to consider as well is an Eliseparts uprated bottom mount, only about £30. The flexi in my 4-2-1 is only 2" long and the engine has been moving up to 1" (you can tell as the VVC inlet manifold rubs on the back deck!) the uprated mount eliminates almost all of the movement but it does give a little more vibration on start and at very low revs.

Good luck! :D

Edit: The filter stayed on throughout and I only disconnected the bottom engine mount.

Re: How to fit 4-2-1 manifold when engine is still in place

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:54 am
by GregR
robin wrote:It seems like a bit of a chinese puzzle - I am sure there is a way, but I cannot quite see what that way is ... I have the cylinder head removed, so plenty of clearance, but whether I attack from top or bottom I cannot the pipe in :-(

Anyone on here fitted one and know how to do it? (S2 elise, though pretty sure it would be almost identical problem on S1 elise).

Cheers,
Robin
Greg in 'I told you so' shocker ;)

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:57 am
by simon
RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:Something you might want to consider as well is an Eliseparts uprated bottom mount, only about £30.
Is that the one I have? If it is, you can have mine as I don't think I need it.

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:06 am
by Rich H
Nope, you have the engine end of it, you need the other end.

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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:55 am
by robin
Michael wrote:Hi robin...why does the filter need to be binned...?

Do you want the Rad back perchance? Coffee table potential mostly....

Cheers, Mike
I'll keep the rad for emergencies if you're not using it.

The seal on the oil filter is one shot. If you remove it, you should never refit it. They are so cheap that it really doesn't make any sense to reuse one anyway, just annoying that this one has been fitted but engine not even turned over! Anyway, if Rich managed to get his fitted without removing oil filter, I will try that first too.

Cheers,
Robin

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:56 am
by Rich H
As I say the main difference should just be the lower coolant pipe, if this is in the way you may have to go for Tut's suggestion of the other engine mount....

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:15 pm
by GregR
You needing a spare pair of paws tonight Robin? A yes might keep me out of the pub for a change... ;)

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:40 pm
by robin
GregR wrote:You needing a spare pair of paws tonight Robin? A yes might keep me out of the pub for a change... ;)
OK, that would be nice - will be making a start at 20:00 and AndyG may well be popping over with his sticky throttle problem.

Cheers,
Robin

P.S. The cardboard worked a treat and the floor is dry!

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:50 pm
by Sanjøy
Gonna be parky!

SP /third right in a row working nights :(