engine mount gubbed!

r055 · Post by **r055** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:46 pm

Started with jingling noise over my right ear when accelerating today.
noise got louder.
then i noticed the gear stick moving more when on and off of the throttle -i know you can normally feel the vibration through the gearstick when on the throttle, but this was noticably moving.
then when on and off the accelerator, it feels like the engine/ gearbox is not really part of the car anymore! too much play.
Every bump in the road feels like the engine is going to drop through the undertray!
Rattling only happens when in a gear - i.e. when revving it in neutral or with the clutch in it sounds fine.
The exhaust also feels like there is deeper growl to it since it started.

Off to check the service manual... engine mounts etc.

anyone got any ideas?

Car been away down at Judes for 2 weeks getting fixed...
Fuel tank out, cleaned, new fuel pump, filter...

This was me driving home from spending 500 bucks on fixing the fcuking thing!!!!!!!

roadboy · Post by **roadboy** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:50 pm

Hi Ross,

Definitely didn't notice anyhting like that on the road test.

Give me a call tomorrow if you get a chance and I'll have a chat about it with you. Does sound like an engine mount problem though.

Dan@JPS

r055 · Post by **r055** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:54 pm

roadboy wrote:Hi Ross,

Definitely didn't notice anyhting like that on the road test.

this happened after 2 to 3 hours driving like a loony on the way home Dan. I was too rough with my love.
Car was perfect when in Newcastle!

At least I didnt break down this time and call you!

r055 · Post by **r055** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:12 pm

had a good look tonight underneath the car...

im not so sure this bracket should be so far down... anyone?

The exhaust flexi was slightly poking through the undertray before i had taken it off.

The right-hand upper mount doesnt look out of place (i think

) but the left hand mount looks like the rubber has deterioated...

Can any one help?!?

Post by **simon** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:14 am

r055 wrote:had a good look tonight underneath the car...

im not so sure this bracket should be so far down... anyone?

If its the bracket on the left, I have one spare I can flog you*.

*I think, I am rather pished tho so I'm not that sure

thinfourth · Post by **thinfourth** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:13 am

That right hand side engine mount looks proper fcuk

And it looks like the lower linkage is hitting the chassis I would say replace both as a precaution. I would also be hesitant to take the car out until its fixed.

But it is spanners this weekend and if someone can rustle up an engine mount

As to mentioning this in a public forum well i don't think any of us could of asked for a fairer response then the one that was given

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:12 am

Looks like the gearbox mount is fecked and then the other end may well now be fecked too...

the two either end are rover items the middle one is Lotus. Simon has the sump mount spare from what I remember.

You need the top two in this picture I reckon. Or at least the top right £20+VAT:

robin · Post by **robin** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:47 am

The bar that is touching the subframe should be more-or-less horizontal.

The gearbox end mount might well be gubbed, but only the drivers side engine mount could cause this problem I think. I would guess that the two 18mm bolts that hold the engine mount to the chassis mount are not present, or that the mount has sheared.

I would be surprised if it's the rubber itself because failure would still leave you some support.

If you can be arsed to remove the right hand rear wheel arch liner you could take a photo.

Alternately, point your camera into the wheel arch from the exhaust side at about a 45-degree angle - in case you don't know what you're looking for, you are trying to photograph the thing that protudes from the cam-belt end of the engine into the space just above the chassis.

Cheers,
Robin

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:54 am

How do you get pics form the service/parts manual? I'm computer incompetent....

/thread drift...

Isn't the big mount filled with fluid? Could this have popped? It could explain the gradual failure.

Lawrence · Post by **Lawrence** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:49 am

Where are you Ross?

robin · Post by **robin** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:22 am

In acrobat there is a wee camera icon - it lets you select an area of the document and copies it to the clip board. Then run mspaint and paste in the image; edit, trim and save as .PNG, then upload to photobucket or whatever.

I didn't know it was fluid filled, but it could be!

It may be that it has collapsed, but it's hanging so low I would suspect a more serious failure - anyway, either way it's the drivers side engine mount that's broken!

Cheers,
Robin

r055 · Post by **r055** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:04 am

Lawrence wrote:Where are you Ross?

cumbernauld

im going out just now to take wheel arch liner off...

tut · Post by **tut** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:20 am

Ross

I recently bought an engine mount off eBay to modify as a rear torque mount for the Honda engine, but no longer need to.

If you need it let me know, I paid £5 plus £8 postage for it.

tut

r055 · Post by **r055** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:49 am

AhHHHH! Just buckled the lock nut key and broadband line just went down. Off round to rover dealership hoping they are in today

r055 · Post by **r055** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:03 pm

right, just back in from rover parts dealer to get a new lock nut key... sigh.

managed to get the wheel arch liner off and have found the source of the problem!...

the mount has sheared and engine is hanging down a good 2 inches more than it should be

does anyone have a spare right-hand side engine mount they would like to sell me?!? - willing to travel anywhere this weekend to pick up.
i would probably be best replacing all of them, eh?