Mac, you say you'd need to make a big mistake to hit the one at the bottom of Duffus but the point is that this is why I go on track days, I can make little mistakes and maybe big ones too and expect to get away with most of them. I think KH are being negligent in putting these things here and I wouldn't be surprised if it got them into a lot of trouble if someone did hit them.
Also, I remember last year coming over the top of Duffus to find Iain Williamson in the gravel sideways exactly where that tyre stack is placed. Mandy was in the pax seat at the time IIRC so had the tyres been there they would certainly have hit them.
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That's a fair comment - As you know I almost fell foul of the tyres earlier this year.
My point is that tyres round circuits is nothing new and isn't unique to Knockhill - Oulton park is a circuit that springs to mind that uses tyre barriers. If you make a mistake then there always is the possibility of hitting the tyres whether they be on the outside of the corners or the outside barrier of the track.
Mac
My point is that tyres round circuits is nothing new and isn't unique to Knockhill - Oulton park is a circuit that springs to mind that uses tyre barriers. If you make a mistake then there always is the possibility of hitting the tyres whether they be on the outside of the corners or the outside barrier of the track.
Mac
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Just my 2p...
I'd want them all removed for our days, OK maybe something is needed to keep us off the grass on the entrance to the chicane but a simple cone or bollard is enough - they cause enough damage for everyone at an SIDC day to want to avoid them (assuming tut's not there).
The big barriers are just something extra to hit and very close to the line. OK you 'shouldn't' be in danger of hitting them but if something unforseen happens, spinner in front etc., I'd like to be able to take to the grass with minimal damage rather than hitting an effing great barrier which could write off the car.
The apex barrirers are also an issue for me as I can be on the limit on the way into the corners and a wee slide pre-apex points you right at it.
I'm sure if insurance companies saw the barriers they would think again about trackday cover for Knockhill. KH need to be very carefull about this as I know one insurer is not covering TonyG's Caterham for Saturday in light of the recent Hot Hatch footage (Team Gimp) that was all over the net...
I'd want them all removed for our days, OK maybe something is needed to keep us off the grass on the entrance to the chicane but a simple cone or bollard is enough - they cause enough damage for everyone at an SIDC day to want to avoid them (assuming tut's not there).
The big barriers are just something extra to hit and very close to the line. OK you 'shouldn't' be in danger of hitting them but if something unforseen happens, spinner in front etc., I'd like to be able to take to the grass with minimal damage rather than hitting an effing great barrier which could write off the car.
The apex barrirers are also an issue for me as I can be on the limit on the way into the corners and a wee slide pre-apex points you right at it.
I'm sure if insurance companies saw the barriers they would think again about trackday cover for Knockhill. KH need to be very carefull about this as I know one insurer is not covering TonyG's Caterham for Saturday in light of the recent Hot Hatch footage (Team Gimp) that was all over the net...
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I think we should bring it up on Saturday then, maybe at the briefing when (if?) they mention them.
As I said, if they carry on putting them out, I'll go elsewhere. I'd rather not have less trackdays but if it means doing 10 a year and stuffing the car at KH or 4 somewhere else and not breaking it then I'll take the 4 thank you.
As I said, if they carry on putting them out, I'll go elsewhere. I'd rather not have less trackdays but if it means doing 10 a year and stuffing the car at KH or 4 somewhere else and not breaking it then I'll take the 4 thank you.
My 2p......
The tyres on the apex of the corners at Macintyres and Clarks I dont mind, the ones at the chicane and at the bottom of Duffus I hate.
Make mistake mid way through Duffus and you could see a large impact into those tyres as proven already with the earlier picture.
I go to track days to enjoy my car in a way I cant on the road, I accept the risk that there are gravel traps lined with tyres but to bring the tyres to the edge of the track is nothing short of dangerous. They have the run off area they should be bloody well using it.
If they need to protect their precious kerbs so badly they should stop pissing aroung penny pinching and fix them properly. Ribbed (oo-er) kerbs where the severity of the rumble effect increases the more kerb you take would soon have people on the right line and reduce the chance of damage to anyone who makes a mistake.
Yet again they have resorted to the cheap option that reduces Knockhill to a mickey mouse circuit when you compare it to down south.
On a related note I am not surprised to here the comments about trackday insurance being refused at KH, KH really need to look at the damage the hot hatch sessions are doing to their reputation.
Also, as Ed mentioned earlier, the blue flag system is an effing joke. Last trackday they used it for 10 mins then forgot about it. I spent 10 laps pootling round behind a 200SX who thought it was a drift track, despite even waving at the marshalls and pointing at the car in front for those 10 laps I didnt see a blue flag.
Going down south will be expensive and will more than half the number of trackdays I can do but they way things are going it soon wont be an option.
Finally perhaps we should be posting this on KH's motorsport forum as well as here.
The tyres on the apex of the corners at Macintyres and Clarks I dont mind, the ones at the chicane and at the bottom of Duffus I hate.
Make mistake mid way through Duffus and you could see a large impact into those tyres as proven already with the earlier picture.
I go to track days to enjoy my car in a way I cant on the road, I accept the risk that there are gravel traps lined with tyres but to bring the tyres to the edge of the track is nothing short of dangerous. They have the run off area they should be bloody well using it.
If they need to protect their precious kerbs so badly they should stop pissing aroung penny pinching and fix them properly. Ribbed (oo-er) kerbs where the severity of the rumble effect increases the more kerb you take would soon have people on the right line and reduce the chance of damage to anyone who makes a mistake.
Yet again they have resorted to the cheap option that reduces Knockhill to a mickey mouse circuit when you compare it to down south.
On a related note I am not surprised to here the comments about trackday insurance being refused at KH, KH really need to look at the damage the hot hatch sessions are doing to their reputation.
Also, as Ed mentioned earlier, the blue flag system is an effing joke. Last trackday they used it for 10 mins then forgot about it. I spent 10 laps pootling round behind a 200SX who thought it was a drift track, despite even waving at the marshalls and pointing at the car in front for those 10 laps I didnt see a blue flag.
Going down south will be expensive and will more than half the number of trackdays I can do but they way things are going it soon wont be an option.
Finally perhaps we should be posting this on KH's motorsport forum as well as here.
Kenny,
Saw toothed kerbs wouldn't make any difference to the racers.
Most F1 circuits have them and they still take to them. Perhaps they should consider extend the gravel traps upto the rear of the kerb.
Mac
Saw toothed kerbs wouldn't make any difference to the racers.
Most F1 circuits have them and they still take to them. Perhaps they should consider extend the gravel traps upto the rear of the kerb.
Mac
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Just tried to arrange my track insurance (free days included with CCI) and KH have been suspended from their list of approved trackday organisers.
(Because of Hot Hatch rather than the barriers)
I'll still be doing SIDC as I've booked and paid for it but I'll be complaining to KH and it will make me reconsider further days at KH.
(Because of Hot Hatch rather than the barriers)
I'll still be doing SIDC as I've booked and paid for it but I'll be complaining to KH and it will make me reconsider further days at KH.
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I think you might struggle to get any insurance for KH, not just CCI.
Speaking to CCI, and I paraphrase here, "...they understand that Hot Hatch are totally different events but safety issues on one type of day bring concerns about the organisation and standards of all days there. They cannot cover Knockhill and doubt any other insurers will either.
This is likely to be ongoing for weeks or months rather than days until investigations are complete and they (underwriters?) are happy with the safety standards/risks at Knockhill..."
Speaking to CCI, and I paraphrase here, "...they understand that Hot Hatch are totally different events but safety issues on one type of day bring concerns about the organisation and standards of all days there. They cannot cover Knockhill and doubt any other insurers will either.
This is likely to be ongoing for weeks or months rather than days until investigations are complete and they (underwriters?) are happy with the safety standards/risks at Knockhill..."
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On a lighter note...
Because my zaust was a SC test mule it has gone back to Jim to get dissected. It will be replaced by his latest creation a 3inch bore through the system 8inch by 23-24inch silencer designed for max flow on Honda and Yota SCed cars but hopefully meeting noise regs. I will have it for Saturday along with Jim’s noise meter so anyone who needs a reading on their zaust grab me!
Because my zaust was a SC test mule it has gone back to Jim to get dissected. It will be replaced by his latest creation a 3inch bore through the system 8inch by 23-24inch silencer designed for max flow on Honda and Yota SCed cars but hopefully meeting noise regs. I will have it for Saturday along with Jim’s noise meter so anyone who needs a reading on their zaust grab me!