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mac · Post by **mac** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:55 am

I'd suggest that you get hold of another carrier. Can quite workout why bearing failure would give you this problem though - Isn't the big bolt through the middle supposed to take up lateral movement in the bearing?

robin · Post by **robin** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:37 pm

tut wrote:Thanks both.

I have a new wheel bearing in the shed. Robin will also realise that this is the hub that we had all the trouble with on Stelvio, it has had four bearing changes so far, so it may be a hub change. I thought that after the last new bearing and uprating the bolts , that it had been sorted.

tut

Yeah - what I was saying to neil is that as you have been through more than the odd bearing on the wheel it must be the hub/shaft rather then the bearing itself (if you change the bearing, hub and bolt you should be OK going forward - you can probably reuse the old bolt, but I might be inclined to source a new locknut at least!).

Cheers,
Robin

tut · Post by **tut** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:36 am

Thanks Robin, could not get you by phone today.

Agreed that a new hub will be required, there is one on eBay at the moment, but no detail on it. Will check with Murrays on Monday for the price of a new one.

tut

Post by ed » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:37 pm

Sorry to hear your car broke tut!

unfortunately my front pads are well and truly fecked and had to stop the night early!

ordered pagids ages ago from eliseparts but havent arrived yet! fingers crossed they will arive soon. thanks to kenny and andy g for my pax laps. nice to meet a few more SErs. til next time

Brunty · Post by **Brunty** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:56 pm

I didn't make it up unfortunately as I'm building an engine at the moment

One of the Club GTI guys was there and has posted up a few videos here - http://www.fastvwgolf.co.uk/video_links.htm

Brunty

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:11 pm

Vid of you by the looks of things Ed.

Kelvin · Post by **Kelvin** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:45 pm

The number of failures is very small though (I'm aware of three excluding tut and only one of them is the MSC kit which doesn't mean there haven't been others). If there was an inherent design problem then many more would be failing particularly given the high number of converted cars; circa 130 apparently and quite a few are tracked regularly because it can't just be that some folk are lucky and some aren't. If that is the case then mine are well overdue a failure and will probably go at the Ring in May

The positioning is compromised somewhat but then it's not as if there aren't other elements of the Elise design that aren't a bit compromised and not ideal. It's just whether it works or not and overall the conversion seems pretty well sorted. Ironically, the only time my car has let me down mechanically (as in stuck at the side of the road) was a driveshaft failure within 6 months of buying it. I've also had an engine mount break, again with the Rover engine installed and I'd only done 2 track days in it!

The real question you should be asking is whether or not the car is more or less reliable after it's been converted given the same level of abuse. Mine has done 15k and over 20 track days since it was converted 18 months ago and so far everything is ok (well a few niggles here and there, two bits replaced and one bit added!) Some people (and I don't mean you) appear to have the view that somehow installing a Honda makes the car indestructable. I can guarantee you that it will break at some point it's just less likely to be engine related

I also think that if you are tracking the Elise a lot then a certain amount of mechanical sympathy helps regardless of the engine that's in the back. Certainly spinning backwards across big trackside kerbs won't help!

Anyway, what's your view of it? I've been meaning to call you to see how it was going. Looking forward to a ride in it in May, especially to compare gearchange as the Sincs kit is meant to be quite a bit better.

Shug wrote:Aye - he's maneuvered the argument away from the real problem, which is the angle the driveshafts run at (in the Honda conversions, not the K) - nobody was talking about hubs and bearings before he did The CV's must be getting really hot with the amount they need to deflect. That's a feature of the engine position (which looks like it can't be totally solved without changing subframe - even if Sincs have moved the mounts a bit)

That may also have been behind your driveshaft popping out going over rough ground at full bore... IMVHO

But hey - there are loads of cars running now that don't show any issue with it, so fingers crossed yours ends up one of that number.

mac · Post by **mac** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:22 am

Having had a quite squint around Neil's engine bay, the conversion seem much "cleaner" than what I recall of Tut's.

I was very impressed to be honest - it looked at home in the engine bay and not just grafted on. Don't think I've seen your installation yet Kelvin.

Kelvin · Post by **Kelvin** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:19 am

The MSC installation I have (Link Up kit) looks like a productionised engine installation, very neat and tidy as well. The most obvious difference between the kits appears to be the gearchange mechanism. The routing of the pipes etc is much the same.

I've seen other Blink converted cars (a la tut's) and they are neater looking than tut's engine bay but that could just have been simply down to the engine bay being cleaner in those cars.

mac wrote:Having had a quite squint around Neil's engine bay, the conversion seem much "cleaner" than what I recall of Tut's.

I was very impressed to be honest - it looked at home in the engine bay and not just grafted on. Don't think I've seen your installation yet Kelvin.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:44 am

Great fun evening. Good to meet a few more faces. Thanks for the pax laps simon (ironside). Heaps of fun. Have now been out with both shug and ironside, both running maxsports, and was v. impressed with the grip levels, given the cost of the tyres. Haven't experienced Neovas on an S1 yet(realise there is no comparison between the two) but maxsports seem to be a bit of a bargain.

See you all soon(hopefully at the SIDC day, skulking about for pax's)

mac · Post by **mac** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:55 am

Mandy's running on advans and will be on track on Saturday.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:12 am

mac wrote:Mandy's running on advans and will be on track on Saturday.

Cheers Mac, will have to wander over and say hello. Don't think I've met mandy yet. Is she in a dark blue(?) S1??

mac · Post by **mac** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:16 am

Azure Blue - so not deep dark, but not that light either.

If I get my finger out she'll have her Mandy trackplate fitted.

Andy G · Post by **Andy G** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:19 am

My 111R is still not feeling the love after Friday night - got the recovery mode thing re-set on Saturday morning, for another egine light to come on last night...whoops!

They ran a diagnostic on Sat, and didn't seem to be any issues.

Anyone had any similar yota issues?

Andy G · Post by **Andy G** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:23 am

One amusing thing about the recovery mode cutting in on my last lap, was the rather limiter engaging and 5.5k on the way into Macintyres - my pax Pete was congratulating me on my sideways heriocs - was gutted to have to admit that the car had actually caused it itself

Another great evening till that point though - although some dodgier on track antics at the start than on previous outings