Scottish Elises

As a bit of a last minute decision, I'll be at the 'Ring this weekend . I'll there Saturday evening and most of Sunday - and staying in Adenau Sat night. I've not been keeping up with postings recently, so anyone else planning to be there??

Tim

I think Bob will be there.

Probably be the biggest lotus gathering in Scotland this weekend

Tim S wrote:As a bit of a last minute decision, I'll be at the 'Ring this weekend . I'll there Saturday evening and most of Sunday - and staying in Adenau Sat night. I've not been keeping up with postings recently, so anyone else planning to be there??

Tim

Everybody with a free pass is at MexiTowers....

Hi Tim,
I'll be there on the Sunday,
look for a LRG S1 elise (with Cloggy Bash sticker on the front)
come and say hello if you see me. I'm happy to give you a pax if you want.

see you Sunday

Bob

Look forward to seeing you (I'm titanium S2 111S).

Tim

Bob

Sorry didn't see you last weekend. I got seven laps in between Sat evening and Sun before the track was closed. Do you know what happened on the Sunday?? I think someone was killed as I saw a hearse go round the circuit, but didn't see what happened.

When it closed I cleared off to Breidsheid, then decided to leave at about 2 o'clock, figuring even if it did open it would be manic busy.

Anyhow, before it closed I was doing well. A 9min 10 lap on the Sunday morning. I was chuffed....

Tim

yea, sorry I missed you
I arrived around 2 pm on the Sunday, track was closed till 5.
I got 6 laps before it closed again at 7 pm.

2 bikers died and 1 severely wounded,
pile up of 7 ( ! ) bikes and 2 cars, black day .
end of the Fuchsrohre......

german police report here :
http://www.polizei.rlp.de/internet/nav/ ... 1a94839292

Tis getting beyond a joke Bob............

tut

ps can they keep going when they know that they are going to get this rate of casualties?

Do you know the ratio of car drivers killed as opposed to bikers over the last five years?

tut

that is the main fear,
casualties count for the region in comparison with the other regions of Germany, you can imagine the risk of somebody pulling the plug out of public days.
this accident was on the German radio the same day ( I listened to the broadcast standing next to Sabine listening to her car radio.

the whole driving after the closure was very agressive by most.
I did 6 laps in the 2 hours that it was open and on every lap there were at least 5 accidents every lap waiting to be recovered.
even around the Ring in the region there were quite a few accidents that same day.
(and this sunday there were mostly locals, so no complaints about Brits )

bikers/cardrivers....... don't know, but if I would have to guess I would say far more bikers than cardrivers died .

not sure if the stats would change much if they stop public days.

obviously there would be less traffic and less of a mix of traffic, but people will still push hard, and theres very little run off. i think they'd need to sort that out first, but it would change the character of the place.

i dont know what the way forward is.

mckeann wrote:not sure if the stats would change much if they stop public days.

obviously there would be less traffic and less of a mix of traffic, but people will still push hard, and theres very little run off. i think they'd need to sort that out first, but it would change the character of the place.

i dont know what the way forward is.

No one cares about the accidents per se - feel free to kill yourself here, it doesn't matter to us - but the point is that on public days any accidents count towards the regional stats, while on track days they don't.

I should say that a British track day there a couple of years back had such a high accident rate that the track owners have been reluctant to allow a British track day since, so they do sort of care ...

In my opinion the only solution is to abandon public days, which is sad, but there you go. Perhaps the ring could organise it's own track days?

Cheers,
Robin

Thanks for the info, Bob. I guessed it was bad, but didn't realise it was that bad.

I for one just don't see the Ring being open on this format of public days for too long - surely the powers that be can't let it continue like this. Let's just hope that, through track days or something, that access to the track is available somehow.

Tim

if you click the above link again, police have now added a helicopter view of the scene